U-21, U-19, U-17

[zizu1991]

Hu iz ju ?

[ŠB_Fidelis]

Yes, apart from the fact that you know absolutely nothing about Bosnian and Herzegovinian youth football, you're clearly biased and the article is full of half truths and slander.

[BSBosna]

Hu iz ju ?

Ja sam taj koji je napisao ovo:

http://www.bigsoccerbosnia.com/18/post/ ... tball.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are you guys criticizing? Are you telling me that's not clean formation about how our youth footballing system in Bosnia? It's 100% politics and favoritism, there is no way around it.

[BSBosna]

Yes, apart from the fact that you know absolutely nothing about Bosnian and Herzegovinian youth football, you're clearly biased and the article is full of half truths and slander.

Hahaha I'm biased to whom? The truth?

Tell me what is the "slander" or "half truth" you speak of?

I've been following Bosnian youth football for a long time my friend, don't you worry about my knowledge on the matter.

[Sakuragi]

posalji mi onda 20km na racun

Znam ja da bi to kada bi poslao otišlo kuda ne treba, pa se zato jednoumim

pametno kontas zizu, otisle bi na gajbu pive za utakmicu sutra

[zizu1991]

Šta ovaj matere ti glumi Engleza ?

[Sakuragi]

Šta ovaj matere ti glumi Engleza ?

covjek je poliglota i pisanje na engleski to dokazuje

[ŠB_Fidelis]

Hu iz ju ?

Ja sam taj koji je napisao ovo:

http://www.bigsoccerbosnia.com/18/post/ ... tball.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are you guys criticizing? Are you telling me that's not clean formation about how our youth footballing system in Bosnia? It's 100% politics and favoritism, there is no way around it.

And I suppose you're completely unbiased and without preference of your own? That's why you just happen to have a complete list of your own players which, in your own OPINION (I'll just point it out to you that you're a nobody, just another guy with an OPINION, and you know what they say about those, right?).

This article is rubbish. Here are just a few reasons why.

What's going on in Bosnian and Herzegovinian youth football is the fact that without proper work with youngsters and without providing them with proper facilities in which to develop their talents they are just cannon meat to any better developed country in this segment, and yes, this certainly includes Austria as a country which does very good work with youngsters, but what's more important, they actually have the means and facilities to do so. Bosnia and Herzegovina does not, most clubs don't have the basic needs for senior members of their squad, let alone for the youth segment, and there is a clear lack of quality people working in youth development, and this includes absolutely EVERY club in the league, very few are an exception to that rule. So, in the end, it makes absolutely no difference who you put as the ''coach'' (even though this coach had his success with these youngsters as well), or the slight difference in players you can call up, because this problem goes much deeper than pure selection. It's not just a matter of talent or freaking politics, that's of the slightest issue at this youth level, and that, my dear ''expert journalist'', you should actually know, as well as that the result at this level is not something to strive for, but rather making senior football players of youngsters, which does not have to actually correspond to their results, the evidence for this is numerous. All these are facts, and no, you cannot possibly know this better than me and I'm far superior at this to your superfluous view of B-H football, so don't even bother giving your ''it's all politics'' routine. It'd be even more politics if most of these players were playing for other countries, then you'd be writing how politics robs this country of their brightest talents, so, no matter what or where these players play, for obvious reasons, every single one of them will be viewed through a magnifying glass by people like you who think (and only think) they have a grasp on the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina.
The only thing your article can evoke is comments pertaining to further political issues and of course the questioning of loyalties (not qualities) of certain players and heart put into the game for this or that reason, even though you try to stay out of political issues, which is an oxymoron by itself given the nature of the text. Of course, as an ''expert'' on the matter, you should know this, but clearly you feel you have a far wider grasp than this.
Except you don't.

You have demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of the background of players (for instance you understand Ivan Sesar to be a product of Sarajevo's youth school, when in fact he hails from Široki Brijeg, which you so love to dismiss later on in your text), which of course has no influence what so ever on your ''expert'' opinion of football in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and then you continue to speak about ''the best youth schools in Bosnia and Herzegovina'', in your own opinion mind you, only to point the finger of blame practically exclusively to players from Široki Brijeg (some of who, like Mirko Maric, are among the most talented in their generation and who actually played senior football this year) who won the junior league last season as well as the junior cup and then one another junior cup this season (I could go back to previous seasons, but hey, you're the ''expert'', I'm sure you can appreciate pure facts), proving to be amongst the best in the league now and earlier on and thus earning their caps obviously, AND (with this being extremely important) having the benefits of the best training grounds and facilities in the entire country (I challenge you to find a better training facility and better working environments than those in SRC Musa-Karacic within this country), but apparently not to our ''expert'' journalist who feels that even second division clubs should have preference because of what they've done in the past.
This should be common sense, but I suppose you're short in that.

Long story short : The article is pure SPECULATIVE and biased pile of crap which should not be given the time of day and that was a reaction of 80 percent of the people here at least seeing how the author demonstrated a clear lack on the grasp of the situation, the players, both youth and current seniors, substituting many for his own opinionated reasons.

After making so many mistakes even a novice at this level wouldn't make and thus demonstrating an elemental lack of knowledge in the subject of your discussion, I hereby declare you completely irrelevant to this discussion and your article a testament to superfluous overview.

You know nothing. Tootles.

[ceze]

Hu iz ju ?

Ja sam taj koji je napisao ovo:

http://www.bigsoccerbosnia.com/18/post/ ... tball.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are you guys criticizing? Are you telling me that's not clean formation about how our youth footballing system in Bosnia? It's 100% politics and favoritism, there is no way around it.

Who is you?

[JTS]

Šta ovaj matere ti glumi Engleza ?

covjek je poliglota i pisanje na engleski to dokazuje

aferim momčino

[BSBosna]

Hu iz ju ?

Ja sam taj koji je napisao ovo:

http://www.bigsoccerbosnia.com/18/post/ ... tball.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What are you guys criticizing? Are you telling me that's not clean formation about how our youth footballing system in Bosnia? It's 100% politics and favoritism, there is no way around it.

And I suppose you're completely unbiased and without preference of your own? That's why you just happen to have a complete list of your own players which, in your own OPINION (I'll just point it out to you that you're a nobody, just another guy with an OPINION, and you know what they say about those, right?).

This article is rubbish. Here are just a few reasons why.

What's going on in Bosnian and Herzegovinian youth football is the fact that without proper work with youngsters and without providing them with proper facilities in which to develop their talents they are just cannon meat to any better developed country in this segment, and yes, this certainly includes Austria as a country which does very good work with youngsters, but what's more important, they actually have the means and facilities to do so. Bosnia and Herzegovina does not, most clubs don't have the basic needs for senior members of their squad, let alone for the youth segment, and there is a clear lack of quality people working in youth development, and this includes absolutely EVERY club in the league, very few are an exception to that rule. So, in the end, it makes absolutely no difference who you put as the ''coach'' (even though this coach had his success with these youngsters as well), or the slight difference in players you can call up, because this problem goes much deeper than pure selection. It's not just a matter of talent or freaking politics, that's of the slightest issue at this youth level, and that, my dear ''expert journalist'', you should actually know, as well as that the result at this level is not something to strive for, but rather making senior football players of youngsters, which does not have to actually correspond to their results, the evidence for this is numerous. All these are facts, and no, you cannot possibly know this better than me and I'm far superior at this to your superfluous view of B-H football, so don't even bother giving your ''it's all politics'' routine. It'd be even more politics if most of these players were playing for other countries, then you'd be writing how politics robs this country of their brightest talents, so, no matter what or where these players play, for obvious reasons, every single one of them will be viewed through a magnifying glass by people like you who think (and only think) they have a grasp on the situation in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

You have demonstrated a complete lack of knowledge of the background of players (for instance you understand Ivan Sesar to be a product of Sarajevo's youth school, when in fact he hails from Široki Brijeg, which you so love to dismiss later on in your text), which of course has no influence what so ever on your ''expert'' opinion of football in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and then you continue to speak about ''the best youth schools in Bosnia and Herzegovina'', in your own opinion mind you, only to point the finger of blame practically exclusively to players from Široki Brijeg (some of who, like Mirko Maric, are among the most talented in their generation and who actually played senior football this year) who won the junior league last season as well as the junior cup and then one another junior cup this season (I could go back to previous seasons, but hey, you're the ''expert'', I'm sure you can appreciate pure facts), proving to be amongst the best in the league now and earlier on and thus earning their caps obviously, AND (with this being extremely important) having the benefits of the best training grounds and facilities in the entire country (I challenge you to find a better training facility and better working environments than those in SRC Musa-Karacic within this country), but apparently not to our ''expert'' journalist who feels that even second division clubs should have preference because of what they've done in the past.
This should be common sense, but I suppose you're short in that.

Long story short : The article is pure SPECULATIVE and biased pile of crap which should not be given the time of day and that was a reaction of 80 percent of the people here at least seeing how the author demonstrated a clear lack on the grasp of the situation, the players, both youth and current seniors, substituting many for his own opinionated reasons.

After making so many mistakes even a novice at this level wouldn't make and thus demonstrating an elemental lack of knowledge in the subject of your discussion, I hereby declare you completely irrelevant to this discussion and your article a testament to superfluous overview.

You know nothing. Tootles.

You sir are a complete clown and a totally biased Croatian nationalist.

No one is saying I'm an expert on all this, but the claims that player selections don't play a part in this is absolutely ignorant. Yes, we don't have the right people in youth development but isn't that what I stated in the article numerous times? The bias towards certain players of ethnicities is all politics otherwise the best players would be called. It doesn't take money for a coach to teach freaking tactics and simple positioning for these professional bound kids, Karacic is one of the many idiots that have played a part in our youth football down the years. But of course you'll ignore that.

If I know nothing and this is all lies, then why have so many people agreed with me on various different sites but here? I don't know, maybe because those people actually know a thing or two about our football and aren't miserable fucks like yourself?

I will be making a Part 2 to the story tonight, with less speculation and more facts.

[zizu1991]

You sir are a complete clown and a totally biased Croatian nationalist.

E za ovo se bann na kućnu adresu dobiva.

[calcio]

Kod nas uslovi nisu ko u Njemackoj i ne mozes ocekivati rezultate kao sto ima Njemacka. Pa ni Austrija koja je u mnogo cemu slicna Njemackoj. Normalno da ovakvi porazu peku ali sta ces... Ove mladje reprezentacije i tako sluze da se iskristiliziraju igraci u mladjim kategorijama, kako budu prelazili iz uzrasta u uzrast ovi bolji ce se sve vise i vise isticati a oni slabiji ce otpadati (ruzno zvuci, ali je tako. zivot je surov).

[ŠB_Fidelis]

Cuj politika i favoritizam. Genijalno.

90 posto premijerligasa nema uvjete ni za seniorski tim, kamoli da vodi omladinski na kvalitetan nacin, al ne, do politike i favoritizma je.

@BsBosna, And you sir, a complete and utter fool (well of course you're not an expert, you only pretend to be one, yet you have absolutely no contact with football from this country seeing how you make laughable novice mistakes in your article so now that I point it out to you that you base it all on speculations, you'll strive to stick to facts, lol) if you think you can justify your claims that the primary reason for catastrophic youth results in Bosnia and Herzegovina is due to ethnic favoritism as opposed to the fact that most clubs simply have absolutely no quality of consistent and structured work with youngsters, yet you dismiss one of the few (and this is a fact) clubs which actually does great work with youngsters and has the necessary facilities (the best in the country as a matter of fact), and all on account of favoritism. And I'm the nationalist? Right, makes sense.

And since you obviously feel that I'm opposing you since I'm Croatian or something, I have news for you : this is the general opinion on this entire thread, feel free to translate it if you've forgotten your native language, and it's something Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs agree with wholeheartedly, because unlike you might want to believe, we actually would all like to see the national football selections to do better which would mean clubs doing better and working better with youngsters, but dissing on those who actually are doing a good job and trying to make a difference, now that my dear author is politics and nationalism on your part, and for that there is absolutely no excuse, but I'll be happy to point this out to you as soon as somebody else takes over and ''your'' players get to see the field, only to fail miserably because it's not a matter of talent (which is not in question at all), but a matter of quality coaching in clubs, quality work with youngsters, and actual facilities to do so. Bosnia and Herzegovina, at this moment, does not have capabilities for this, and you are a complete fool to think that you can go around this by saying ''it's politics''.

You write all the little articles you want, but get your facts straight and point to the real problem first. Unless you mistake the capacity and football level development of this country for that of one Germany or Spain.
End of conversation due to a distinct lack of a quality conversationalist.

[ŠB_Fidelis]

Kod nas uslovi nisu ko u Njemackoj i ne mozes ocekivati rezultate kao sto ima Njemacka. Pa ni Austrija koja je u mnogo cemu slicna Njemackoj. Normalno da ovakvi porazu peku ali sta ces... Ove mladje reprezentacije i tako sluze da se iskristiliziraju igraci u mladjim kategorijama, kako budu prelazili iz uzrasta u uzrast ovi bolji ce se sve vise i vise isticati a oni slabiji ce otpadati (ruzno zvuci, ali je tako. zivot je surov).

Upravo. Da se vise gleda tko bi mogao u buducnosti postati dobar seniorski igrac, a manje pravio pritisak rezultata, od kojih u ovom omladinskom segmentu nemas ama bas nista, pa sve da si svjetski juniorski prvak, realno, da klubovi sustavno rade i da imaju uvjete da prave igrace za prvih 11 svog kluba, pa mozda jednog dana i vise od toga, e onda bi tek to licilo na nesto.
Najlakse napisati clanak sa svojim nekim zamisljenim spiskom igraca, optuziti nekoga za nepotizam, i spekulirati sta bi bilo i tko sta zasluzuje. Smijesno. Onda sam i ja selektor. Pratim nogomet citav zivot, imam svoje misljenje, dajte i meni da pisem clanke i vodim jednu od reprezentacija.

[BSBosna]

SB_Fidelis, fair enough man. You raise some good points that I won't bother arguing with.

Like I said I will make a Part 2 of the story in the coming days and post it here to see what you think. It will be with more careful research and precision of truth than the first article which was a bit rushed and forced upon by my fellow colleagues. I didn't have much time to create it in truth (yet most people did like it, but I welcome the critics to my pieces as well, can only help me right?).

I apologize for my personal attacks and I hope you do so for yours. I'm sure we all want what's best for Bosnian football and hopefully we can get that with the right steps going forward.

[Sheyi]

SB_Fidelis, fair enough man. You raise some good points that I won't bother arguing with.

Like I said I will make a Part 2 of the story in the coming days and post it here to see what you think. It will be with more careful research and precision of truth than the first article which was a bit rushed and forced upon by my fellow colleagues. I didn't have much time to create it in truth (yet most people did like it, but I welcome the critics to my pieces as well, can only help me right?).

I apologize for my personal attacks and I hope you do so for yours. I'm sure we all want what's best for Bosnian football and hopefully we can get that with the right steps going forward.

Jarane ti si dobar samo za poduprijet šljivić.

[ceze]

Ma ovaj frajer je neki napaćeni dijasporac koji piše na engleskom da bi pokazao svima kako on zna engleski.
Ako nije napaćeni dijasporac, onda je napaćeni evropejac, kako drukčija nazavati ljude koji prate U21 reprezentaciju BiH, pišu članke o njima i onda se učlanjuju na bosanski forum da bi branili ono što napišu.
Mada prije mislim da je ovo prvo, čovjeka ni krivog ni dužnog nazvao Hrvatskim nacionalistom što se nikako nije dalo zaključiti iz posta.

Mlađe selekcije ovise o generacija koja ima pravo da nastupa za istu, uostalom kako vi ne znate da je ovo možda zlatna generacija austrijskog fudbala ?
Imaju ekipu sa igračima iz Bayerna, Intera, Stuttgarta, Milana, Bologne itd.
Što se nas tiče, davno prožvakana tema, smeta vam što je više igrača iz Širokog i što je trener iz Širokog pa onda loše rezultate dovodite u kontekst sa tim.
Pominjete nestandardne igrače iz njemačkih, švedskih i kojih već ne regionalnih liga koji na kraju krajeva ne igraju na pozicijama koje zauzimaju igrač iz Širokog.
Ovo je mlada reprezentacija BiH i ona nema veze sa klubovima i amozitetom među istim.

Na kraju krajeva, Hrvatska U19 koja ima Halilovića za kojeg se otima pola svijeta i još par izuzetno talentovanih igrača odigra 2:2 sa tom istom Austrijom

[ŠB_Fidelis]

@BSBosna - All right, I'm sorry if you feel my language was too harsh, it was not my intention to insult, it was meant to make you realize harshly that you're making the wrong point and blaming this issue on a segment of society in general, rather than on something that is a reflection of total disarray in not only youth football, but senior football in Bosnia and Herzegovina as well due to lack of money and quality work or experts in clubs to deal with youngsters, and you can't go from the top in order to rectify the situation, you have to start at the bottom, on the very foundation of it all.
There is and always will be politics in Bosnian and Herzegovinian football, sadly, but don't just speculate with names (of which most of them don't even play the same position as those you singled out as unfit, not to mention the fact that they are mostly regional and lower league players, mostly untested and not necessarily at a higher level at all than those withing the confines of this country, or the fact that you and I can't possibly know better than people who make a living out of this) and search for it yourself if you don't know in fully what you're talking about, because you'll end up slandering somebody else or some other club who/which doesn't deserve the criticism due to actually doing quality and serious work (with results, infrastructure and stability to prove it, unlike some of the others you named), within the confines of this country's limited capabilities that is, only to ignore the fact that the country itself is in huge problems, which of course then is just a reflection on the sports within it. Again, it has absolutely nothing to do with talent, but if you do not work with talent, it means nothing in sports today.

I trust this puts an end to this matter. Later.

[Cartman]

Fuck off lads.

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