Valencia je napisao/la:Benitez je bio fenomenalan trener kojeg je Liverpul potrosio.
Nije on ni dobar trener, a kamoli fenomenalan.
Tako se cini iz ove perspektive. Benitez je sada potrosen, razbio se kult u paramparcad.
Benitez je za tri-cetri godine postao najtrofejniji trener Valensie svih vremena i sa prosjecnim Liverpulom uzeo LP. I to nije dobro.
Treneri su potrosna roba kao i igraci. Kapelo se recimo potrosio. Nekada je bio vrhunski trener, sada izgleda kao da je los. Ista stvar sa Eriksenom i mnogim drugim trenerima.
Benitez je ostao predugo u inferiornom Liverpulu i to ga je kosao. Isto tako ce Dortmund potrositi Klopa ako ubrzo ne ode iz kluba.
Murinjo je recimo inteligentan trener. Uvijek je na vrijeme znao otici. Cim ekipa pocne padati on se hvata noge. Isto je uradio Pep u Barsi. Pogubno je za trenera stagniranje i propadanje sa nekom ekipom.
To je razlika izmedju svih papaka i neponovljivog SAF-a
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 18:54
Postao/la Torres_9
frajer se pravda minjoleu sto ga je ostavio na klupi
boze uzmi ga pls
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 19:36
Postao/la Hendo
A da smo imali trenera ove dvije i po godine sada bi imali titulu u džepu i igrali bi protiv Porta.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 19:48
Postao/la Civa
Oni njemu da su htjeli dati otkaz dali bi mu odmah nakon derbija. Tako da će on još tu još da vjesi,a mi ćemo da patimo. Ili jedino čekaju da i Klopp dobije otkaz u Dortmundu pa da imaju odmah zamjenu...
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:01
Postao/la gaston
Zamjena se trazi vec uveliko i vjerujem da kad bude pravi trenutak i kad se nađe covjek za posao da ce Brendan dobiti otkaz.
Nema ko voditi ekipu u međuvremenu ako sad dobije otkaz.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:04
Postao/la Sage
Kolika je vjerovatnoća da bi Klopp mogao doći? Mi kakvi smo baksuzi ne bi me iznenadilo da i on pogubi konce
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:13
Postao/la gaston
Sage je napisao/la:Kolika je vjerovatnoća da bi Klopp mogao doći? Mi kakvi smo baksuzi ne bi me iznenadilo da i on pogubi konce
70% da hoce i 100% da nece
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:22
Postao/la Sage
gaston je napisao/la:
Sage je napisao/la:Kolika je vjerovatnoća da bi Klopp mogao doći? Mi kakvi smo baksuzi ne bi me iznenadilo da i on pogubi konce
70% da hoce i 100% da nece
hahahah... dobar dobar... ne znam ni sam, tolko me je prošla sezona okuražila,rekoh to je to, i eto, opet se vraćamo na kolosijek Brčko-Banovići. Da je Bog do sve do trenera...al počinjem vjerovati u karmu vezano za ovaj klub
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:36
Postao/la BeyKopites
De Boer se spominje sve vise.Dobar je trener, ali da li je spreman za EPL i Liverpool.Ipak bi to bio veliki izazov za njega.Sa Ajaxom je prekuco holandsku ligu, ja mislim da je vakat da se okusa u jacoj ligi.
Kloppa Borussia trosi maksimalno, njemu treba novi pocetak, neki novi motiv...
A mozda i Rodgers iskoristi ovo neznatno vrijeme koje mu je ostalo do otkaza pa preokrene situaciju upotpunosti, al' to je vec domena sci-fi.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:36
Postao/la shzna
Ma trener je jadan, a onda transfer politika. Pogledajte omjer potrošenih para i titula, nas i Manchestera. Daleko su ispred nas.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:39
Postao/la PEP
Ne rekoh li ja nedavno momci da cete plakati za reinom onaj minjon kocka nije ni koljena reini.vama fali pravi trener brenda je pogubila sve konce.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 20:59
Postao/la mcmanaman
Vratite nam doktora rotacija na klupu.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 21:02
Postao/la Otelo
Safet je nasa jedina nada.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 21:17
Postao/la Capp
BeyKopites je napisao/la:De Boer se spominje sve vise.Dobar je trener, ali da li je spreman za EPL i Liverpool.Ipak bi to bio veliki izazov za njega.Sa Ajaxom je prekuco holandsku ligu, ja mislim da je vakat da se okusa u jacoj ligi.
Kloppa Borussia trosi maksimalno, njemu treba novi pocetak, neki novi motiv...
A mozda i Rodgers iskoristi ovo neznatno vrijeme koje mu je ostalo do otkaza pa preokrene situaciju upotpunosti, al' to je vec domena sci-fi.
Mislim da De Boer ne bi bio loš izbor za Liv'pool.Naravno, stoji činjenica da nije trenirao ekipu u nekoj jačoj ligi, međutim čitao sam par članaka o njemu, i izgleda kao trener koji dosta rotira, također dosta se oslanja i na mlađe igrače. Čini mi se da je osvojio 3-4 titule za redom sa Ajaxom, nisam siguran.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 22:16
Postao/la Paradajz
De Boer je za sada, po svemu sto sam video, tanak trener. Ima filozofiju koja je unikatna za sve holandske strucnjake, ali kada ona ne ide, onda nije dobro. Vrlo slican Rodgersu. Zato je verovatno i idealan za nasu upravu.
Odlican intervju sa Pearcom.
Liverpool Echo's James Pearce one of the most trusted persons regarding LFC affairs has come out to suggest that the Transfer Committee (TC) could have made BR's work difficult at Anfield. The sale of senior players on big wages and the signings that BR made this season were not totally his choice, but the committee's. Many managers refused to work under a sporting director when they were interviewed by FSG for the job before BR came in. FSG later set up this committee that is identical, or perhaps wields more power than a sporting director, whilst giving the idea that the manager is totally in charge. Whatever decision the manager makes with regards to signings and contracts, will be voted by 5 people in the committee. Only in the case of a majority vote, BR can sign the players he wants. Otherwise he has to improvise with the players chosen by the TC. Pearce says BR NEVER wanted to sign Balotelli but was forced to settle for him. In other words, it was the TC that ultimately failed to replace Suarez despite getting big money by selling him. Pearce says BR also made it clear that he wanted Michel Vorm and that signing a GK is a priority. But he says the transfer committee refused to pay his value despite only spending over 30mil in net spending this summer. This also had a significant impact on Mignolet's form as LFC didn't try to provide competition for the Belgian. Pearce says paying top bucks for Lovren made perfect sense at that point, as he was not one for the future, but was coming in as a top centre back, based on his form with the Saints and his Premier League experience. He was bought to hit the ground running. However he's had a major dip in form which is disappointing says Pearce. Similar tone has been voiced by Mike Bernard, a former employee of FSG, who said BR failing to see eye-to-eye with some of the TC members and their signings, is getting a little unsavoury. Mike noted that BR wanted Eriksen and Bony but was overruled. This also goes back to previous failures to show the money and securing players early when they had interest to move to LFC. Plenty of dragging negotiations and low-balling saw the failure of securing targets such as Willian, Salah, Mikhtaryan, Konoplyanka and more. Diego Costa was identified by BR as a transfer target when Costa was playing as a wing-forward, long before he became a star in that out-and-out striker position and caught the whole world's attention. TC thought his release clause of 20mil back then was too much. The rest is history. While we drag our feet on targets, other clubs come into the picture, showed the money and swooped them as we watch helplessly. Even for Sanchez, Phil Thompson declared during the world cup that we had Sanchez in the bag. However too much negotiations into details and conditions in payment method allowed Arsenal to sneak in and turn his and his wife's head.
Pearce also does not believe with the popular excuse that BR got founded after Suarez left, and that it was the Uruguayan who made BR look good last season. He says BR's tactical acumen led the team prosper last season, not Suarez alone. The expectations has been raised by last season's football and LFC are struggling with the pressure now he adds. Pearce labels Borini's position as strange and wonders if it could be the club showing frustration against him, for not being able to secure 14mil from Sunderland and another 13mil from QPR. They're certainly making it clear to Borini that he shouldn't reject another deal in January. Another journo Graham Beecroft says Borini could have indicated that he rather sit on the bench and take the wages or run down his contract, than moving to a small club ie Sunderland, QPR who are also refusing to pay more wages than LFC. Could be the reason why he's strangely frozen. Could be the club's decision not the manager's.
The last time Pearce spoke to BR, the manager said Can and some of the new players are still trying to adapt to his philosophy of football and it could be the reason why BR resorts to playing those who know what is expected of them for now. But Pearce says he will speak to BR again about Can to find out more on his position. Pearce says LFC's season could depend on Sturridge coming back to be paired with Balotelli upfront, and then allow the rest of the team to click. Pearce doesn't know if FSG are willing to spend in January but it's a question of can they afford not to. As champions league new TV deal brings in over 40mil next season compared to 25mil before, he opines that LFC must spend. Especially on a top quality striker, taking into account Studge's fitness.
Koji otkriva izgleda mnoge stvari. Nmg da verujem da im je mnogo bilo 20m za Costu, onda.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 22:21
Postao/la Policeman
dobri stari Rafa Benitez s njim bi mozda i uboli neki trofej a ovog holandeza bolje da ne dovedu da se na vama uci
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 22:36
Postao/la PEP
Policeman je napisao/la:dobri stari Rafa Benitez s njim bi mozda i uboli neki trofej a ovog holandeza bolje da ne dovedu da se na vama uci
trener prema kojem kapu skidam,liverpool je generalno poceo padati njegovim odlaskom bez obzira na njegove ne tako sjajne sezone sezone na kormilu poola.
rafa je veliki trener covjek je sve osvojio u klubskom nogometu ,po meni vec jedan od najboljih svih vremena.
Stvarno mi je zao sto je pool ovako grohno ,hajde razumije jednostavno to prokletsvo im ev 25 godina ne da da osvoje taj taj trofej EPL ,ali ba sad su iu Lp ,dhe su bili unazad pra godina imali kntinuitet ucesca ,a sada nakon 3,4 sezone se vrate i ne prodju grupnu fazu,dje nesto onaj lijepi liverpool sa rafom ,kada je milina bilo gledati njihove tekme ,kako u EPL tako i LP .Za mene licno cast manci ,ali za mene ce liverpool biti najveci klub engleske uvijek.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 23:47
Postao/la donCorleone1892
Paradajz je napisao/la:De Boer je za sada, po svemu sto sam video, tanak trener. Ima filozofiju koja je unikatna za sve holandske strucnjake, ali kada ona ne ide, onda nije dobro. Vrlo slican Rodgersu. Zato je verovatno i idealan za nasu upravu.
Odlican intervju sa Pearcom.
Liverpool Echo's James Pearce one of the most trusted persons regarding LFC affairs has come out to suggest that the Transfer Committee (TC) could have made BR's work difficult at Anfield. The sale of senior players on big wages and the signings that BR made this season were not totally his choice, but the committee's. Many managers refused to work under a sporting director when they were interviewed by FSG for the job before BR came in. FSG later set up this committee that is identical, or perhaps wields more power than a sporting director, whilst giving the idea that the manager is totally in charge. Whatever decision the manager makes with regards to signings and contracts, will be voted by 5 people in the committee. Only in the case of a majority vote, BR can sign the players he wants. Otherwise he has to improvise with the players chosen by the TC. Pearce says BR NEVER wanted to sign Balotelli but was forced to settle for him. In other words, it was the TC that ultimately failed to replace Suarez despite getting big money by selling him. Pearce says BR also made it clear that he wanted Michel Vorm and that signing a GK is a priority. But he says the transfer committee refused to pay his value despite only spending over 30mil in net spending this summer. This also had a significant impact on Mignolet's form as LFC didn't try to provide competition for the Belgian. Pearce says paying top bucks for Lovren made perfect sense at that point, as he was not one for the future, but was coming in as a top centre back, based on his form with the Saints and his Premier League experience. He was bought to hit the ground running. However he's had a major dip in form which is disappointing says Pearce. Similar tone has been voiced by Mike Bernard, a former employee of FSG, who said BR failing to see eye-to-eye with some of the TC members and their signings, is getting a little unsavoury. Mike noted that BR wanted Eriksen and Bony but was overruled. This also goes back to previous failures to show the money and securing players early when they had interest to move to LFC. Plenty of dragging negotiations and low-balling saw the failure of securing targets such as Willian, Salah, Mikhtaryan, Konoplyanka and more. Diego Costa was identified by BR as a transfer target when Costa was playing as a wing-forward, long before he became a star in that out-and-out striker position and caught the whole world's attention. TC thought his release clause of 20mil back then was too much. The rest is history. While we drag our feet on targets, other clubs come into the picture, showed the money and swooped them as we watch helplessly. Even for Sanchez, Phil Thompson declared during the world cup that we had Sanchez in the bag. However too much negotiations into details and conditions in payment method allowed Arsenal to sneak in and turn his and his wife's head.
Pearce also does not believe with the popular excuse that BR got founded after Suarez left, and that it was the Uruguayan who made BR look good last season. He says BR's tactical acumen led the team prosper last season, not Suarez alone. The expectations has been raised by last season's football and LFC are struggling with the pressure now he adds. Pearce labels Borini's position as strange and wonders if it could be the club showing frustration against him, for not being able to secure 14mil from Sunderland and another 13mil from QPR. They're certainly making it clear to Borini that he shouldn't reject another deal in January. Another journo Graham Beecroft says Borini could have indicated that he rather sit on the bench and take the wages or run down his contract, than moving to a small club ie Sunderland, QPR who are also refusing to pay more wages than LFC. Could be the reason why he's strangely frozen. Could be the club's decision not the manager's.
The last time Pearce spoke to BR, the manager said Can and some of the new players are still trying to adapt to his philosophy of football and it could be the reason why BR resorts to playing those who know what is expected of them for now. But Pearce says he will speak to BR again about Can to find out more on his position. Pearce says LFC's season could depend on Sturridge coming back to be paired with Balotelli upfront, and then allow the rest of the team to click. Pearce doesn't know if FSG are willing to spend in January but it's a question of can they afford not to. As champions league new TV deal brings in over 40mil next season compared to 25mil before, he opines that LFC must spend. Especially on a top quality striker, taking into account Studge's fitness.
Koji otkriva izgleda mnoge stvari. Nmg da verujem da im je mnogo bilo 20m za Costu, onda.
Sjajan intervju koji pokazuje da je Rodgers ovdje samo zrtveno janje i da je njegove 10% krivice zbog stanja u klubu.
Evo odgovora @Hendersonu i njegovim istomisljenicama. I taj isti "bibliotekar" je trazio da se dovede Bony koji je inace veoma drag igrac kolegi @Hendersonu ali komitet je rekao ne i dao prednost Balotelliju.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 23:48
Postao/la Marcus
PEP je napisao/la:
Policeman je napisao/la:dobri stari Rafa Benitez s njim bi mozda i uboli neki trofej a ovog holandeza bolje da ne dovedu da se na vama uci
trener prema kojem kapu skidam,liverpool je generalno poceo padati njegovim odlaskom bez obzira na njegove ne tako sjajne sezone sezone na kormilu poola.
rafa je veliki trener covjek je sve osvojio u klubskom nogometu ,po meni vec jedan od najboljih svih vremena.
Stvarno mi je zao sto je pool ovako grohno ,hajde razumije jednostavno to prokletsvo im ev 25 godina ne da da osvoje taj taj trofej EPL ,ali ba sad su iu Lp ,dhe su bili unazad pra godina imali kntinuitet ucesca ,a sada nakon 3,4 sezone se vrate i ne prodju grupnu fazu,dje nesto onaj lijepi liverpool sa rafom ,kada je milina bilo gledati njihove tekme ,kako u EPL tako i LP .Za mene licno cast manci ,ali za mene ce liverpool biti najveci klub engleske uvijek.
Da je imao u ono vrijeme sadašnje vlasnike a ne ona dva maloumnika Hicksa & Gilleta bio bi puno uspješniji, Dalglish i Rodgers su utukli toliko novaca na nikakve igrače. Da se razumijemo, i Rafa je znao podbaciti sa transferom kao što je bio slučaj sa Keanom i Aquilanijem ali kada sada usporedim njih dvojica su space shuttle za Allena i Balotellija, da ne govorim da je doveo klase poput Mascha, Alonsa i Torresa.
Re: Liverpool FC
Postano: 15 dec 2014, 23:54
Postao/la Carlo
U srijedu igramo protiv Bournemoutha, prvi su u championshipu što znači da su na nivou Burnleyja, QPRa, Leicestera, a to može biti kobno za nas obzirom da bi nas sad mogla i Vrbanjuša pobjediti, ali u svakom slučaju bila šta osim pobjede da se očekuje nije nikakvo očekivanje. Moramo pobjediti pa makar rezervni tim igrao.