Reprezentacija Njemačke - Elf

[Saurman]

Kad bi birao selektora a da nije Nijemac to bi sigurno bio Van Gaal al' vidim da su zapeli za Nagelsmana koji je u ovom trenutku prezelen za repku.

[ledar]

Ako dođe Nagelsmann, što je 95% sigurno, onda će to bit naprijed bayo (kimmich, goretzka, musiala, sane, gnabry, müller), a pozadi leipzig (henrichs, raus, klostermann). Ti igrači već znaju njegove zamisli, a i on zna što oni mogu provesti. Samo da ne bude da od drveća ne vidi šumu ko njegov prethodnik.

[dirkules]

Ako dođe Nagelsmann pretpostavljam postavku aka Bayern u njegove vrijeme. U posjedu tri pozadi Rudiger, Sule i desno Heinrichs u ulozi Pavarda, ispred Kimmich i Gundo/Goretzka, Raum u ulozi Daviesa wingback, Musiala prema sredini, desnog ofanzivnog Wirtz, desno krilo Sane. U biti 3-2-4-1, špica ne vjerujem da bi startao Fullkrug, furat će Mullera ili Havertza, prije Mullera naravno. Defanzivno bi bilo 4-2-3-1/4-4-2. Pretpostavka je da će formaciju maksimalno prilagodit dvojcu Musiala/Wirtz, dva talenta najvećeg nivoa, Balon d'ora.

[ledar]

Ja mislim da je ključna stvar agresija i fanatizam. To se najbolje vidjelo u finalu prošlog SP-a, čim je utakmica počela bilo je jasno ko će dobit. Francuzi su po imenima bili jači ali argentinci su krenuli furiozno i bez obzira što su se ovi kvalitetom uspjeli vratit fanatizam je na kraju presudio. Ako Nagelsmann složi takvu ekipu da gine na terenu, da ne daju disat protivniku, da stišću maksimalno agresivno i igraju na rubu incidenta, onda je 90% posla obavljeno. Domaćinima će se oštra igra ionako tolerirat, fanatičnom igrom može elf jako daleko.

Takva igra može popravit i psihološki profil igrača, jer sada, recimo da dođe do pucanja penala, ne znam može li se naći 5 mentalno jakih igrača da zabije. Neuer, Kimmich, Müller, Füllkrug i to je to. Za ostale sam vrlo skeptičan, prije ne nego da, eventualno Gündo, ako.

[kraljttbvb]

Ako ce Musiala, inace buduci Balon d'or , igrati kao na SP, gdje je svaka lopta na tribinama zavrsavala, bolje onda neka ostane u Minhenu i glumi da je povrijedjen...

recimo da dođe do pucanja penala, ne znam može li se naći 5 mentalno jakih igrača da zabije. Neuer, Kimmich, Müller, Füllkrug i to je to. Za ostale sam vrlo skeptičan, prije ne nego da, eventualno Gündo, ako.

Zaboravio si Emrea Cana, inace mentalnog giganta. Kad je trebalo protiv Mainza pucati penal, frajer se ukakio u gace i dao loptu Haleru

[Pogba]

Musiala je igracina i bio je jako dobar na SP-u nevezano za gol ili manjak istih na tom SP-u.

[kraljttbvb]

Dribla, dribla, pa pogrijesi (uvijek potez viska).

Dribla, dribla, pa je nabije na tribine.

Ako je ono bilo dobro, onda OK, ja nemam pojma o fudbalu, a Musiala je bolji od Belinghama...

[CarlitoBrigante]

Musiala po do sada viđenom nije ni blizu Đudeu.

U LP:
- Đamal 23n, 2g, 2a
- Đud 23n, 6g, 6a

[dirkules]

Ako ce Musiala, inace buduci Balon d'or , igrati kao na SP, gdje je svaka lopta na tribinama zavrsavala, bolje onda neka ostane u Minhenu i glumi da je povrijedjen...

Niko nije rekao da je budući Balon d'or, već da je talenat tog nivoa, najvećeg, mani se tog podbadanja bez osnove. Na SP je bio ubjedljivo najbolji igrač Elfa, skoro 90% kreacije tima u zadnjoj trećini je dolazilo od njega, po Who Scoredu jedino Saka bolje ocijenjeni igrač U23 za 0,04. Dečko napravio 19 driblinga u tri tekme, jedino na prvenstvu Mbappe imao 2 više uz 4 tekme više. I logično je da trener s obzirom kakav je igrač, podredi ekipu, potrudi se da stavi te igrače (Musialu i Wirtza) na njihove najbolje pozicije, neće valjda Havertzu to raditi ili pak mlađahnom Mulleru, Gnabryu?

To što mu je realizacija bila loša je druga stvar, dešava se, a svako onaj ko prati utakmice Bayerna zna da je izuzetan realizator.

@CarlitoBrigante svaka čast, kakvo rezonovanje

[armando]

Kakvo njihovo rezonovanje.
Pojededoše ih kompleksi i mržnja.

Evo ako se hvataju statistike neka pogledaju Mullerovu i neka mu ljube kopačke.

Musiala će nadoći, ovo su samo počeci.
Onaj ko ne vidi njegov talenat i osporava njegove mogućnosti nije neki fudbalski fan, a tek poznavalac.

[Elber111]

Nagelsman kao dugoročni projekt je najbolja opcijaali ako vglwdamo samo naredno tamicenje Van Gal je daleko najbolja opcija.
Disciplina i red su itekako potrebni ovoj reprezentaciji.
Sto se tiče ovih podbadanja i spustanja igraca reprezentacije zaista je smjesno d anavijac Dortmunda omalovažava jednog od najboljih mladih igraca reprezentacije i općenito evrope.
Nepotrebna usporedba sa Belighamom,covjek igrac reala i vise nema apsolutno nikakve veze sa Njemackom.
Ako vec zelis da pises o tim nezadovoljstvima razumio bi da je u pitanju neki igrac Dortmunda a ovako jednostavno patnja jer tvoj klub najvecu mladu zvijezdu ima u Moukoku sad koliko je on uopste vise talenat??????
Ova reprezentacija njemacke jednostavno mora ada se osloni na Wirtza i Musialu jer narednih desetak godina oni ce biti nositelji ove ekipe.
Musialla lijevo Wirtz i Muller jedan iza drugog i Sane desno su apsolutno trenutno najbolje sto njemacka ima.
Veza Gundo i Goretzka Kimich Čan.
Ja apsolutno vjerujem da i Wirtz i Musilaa imaju potencijal za najvece i individualne i timske trofeje.
Nazalost Dortmund nema vise takvih igraca ali nemojte zato najbolje sto njemacka ima Blatiti.
Da kojim slučajem Musila igra u Realu ili Barci prica bi bila deugacija

[ledar]

Ako se dobro sjećam Musiala i Schlotti su bili najveće katastrofe protiv Japana na svjetskom, Musiala je prodao čak 18 (slovima:osamnaest) lopti!! U idućoj protiv španjolaca je bio jedan od najboljih i asistirao za pogodak. Radi se o mladom i vanserijskom igraču, produktu Chelseajeve škole, i oscilacije su normalne. Tu je najviše zakazao Flick jer nije uspostavio disciplinu i odgovornost u igri, posebno kod novih igrača u kadru. Međutim, ono što je nevjerojatno je da je potpuno istu stvar napravio i u ovoj drugoj, prijateljskoj utakmicu protiv japanera, ponovo labav posjed, razmaknute linije, bez odlučnosti u duelima... znači ništa nije naučio, opterećivao se sa nekim taktičkim finesama a zanemario osnove. Zato je i zaslužio "auf wiedersehen".

[bayernmiasanmia]

Ako ce Musiala, inace buduci Balon d'or , igrati kao na SP, gdje je svaka lopta na tribinama zavrsavala, bolje onda neka ostane u Minhenu i glumi da je povrijedjen...
Taj isti Musiala kojeg prozivas , u 90' oj u Kelnu pogodi za 1:2 i uze titulu Bayern , koliko znam nije gadjao publiku , i ostaše zutalji u prevodu gubitnici 11 godina bez titule.
Izgleda cete morati cekati do 2034 , da vam se ukaze nova prilika.
A sto se tice repke , Musiala ce biti jedan od nosioca igre!

recimo da dođe do pucanja penala, ne znam može li se naći 5 mentalno jakih igrača da zabije. Neuer, Kimmich, Müller, Füllkrug i to je to. Za ostale sam vrlo skeptičan, prije ne nego da, eventualno Gündo, ako.

Zaboravio si Emrea Cana, inace mentalnog giganta. Kad je trebalo protiv Mainza pucati penal, frajer se ukakio u gace i dao loptu Haleru

[kraljttbvb]

Na SP je bio ubjedljivo najbolji igrač Elfa, skoro 90% kreacije tima u zadnjoj trećini je dolazilo od njega, po Who Scoredu jedino Saka bolje ocijenjeni igrač U23 za 0,04. Dečko napravio 19 driblinga u tri tekme

Tim svojim driblinzima ih je daleko odveo... Kuci

[CarlitoBrigante]

Kakvo njihovo rezonovanje.
Pojededoše ih kompleksi i mržnja.

Evo ako se hvataju statistike neka pogledaju Mullerovu i neka mu ljube kopačke.

Musiala će nadoći, ovo su samo počeci.
Onaj ko ne vidi njegov talenat i osporava njegove mogućnosti nije neki fudbalski fan, a tek poznavalac.

Ako Musiala imadne karijeru ko Muller nek se udara nogom u guzicu od sreće.

[dirkules]

Na SP je bio ubjedljivo najbolji igrač Elfa, skoro 90% kreacije tima u zadnjoj trećini je dolazilo od njega, po Who Scoredu jedino Saka bolje ocijenjeni igrač U23 za 0,04. Dečko napravio 19 driblinga u tri tekme

Tim svojim driblinzima ih je daleko odveo... Kuci

Nadoći će to u repki polahko, neke stvari ne zavise od jednog igrača.

Ako Musiala imadne karijeru ko Muller nek se udara nogom u guzicu od sreće.

Mala li je karijera Thomasa Mullera, veća od KDB-a kojeg si spominjao i mnogih drugih

THOMAS MÜLLER'S WHOLE CAREER:

| Stats for Bayern Munich:

669 games
235 goals
257 assists
492 G/A

| Stats for Germany:

123 games
45 goals
40 assists
85 G/A

| Combined stats for Bayern & Germany :

792 games
280 goals
297 assists
577 G/A

33 trophies:

• 12x Bundesliga
• 8x German Supercup
• 6x German Cup

• 2x Champions League
• 2x FIFA Club World Cup
• 2x UEFA Super Cup

• 1x World Cup

Best personal season at Bayern (2015/16):

49 games
32 goals
13 assists
45 G/A

Most goals in one season: 32 (2015/16)

Most assists in one season: 26 (2019/20)

Records & personal achievements:

• Most trophies (33) won by a German player in history
• Most trophies (32) won by a Bayern player in history
• Most Bundesliga titles (12) won in history, more than any other player and coach
• 2nd most league titles (12) won in history

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga titles (11) of any player and coach
• Most Bundesliga seasons played (16) by a Bayern player
• Most games played (667) by an outfield player in Bayern history

• Most German Supercup trophies (8)
• Most German Cup games played (64) by a Bayern player
• Most matches won (53) in the German Cup by any player in history

• 4x Bundesliga Team of the Season (2009/10, 2015/16, 2017/18, 2020/21)
• Bundesliga Newcomer of the Season (2009/10)

• 13th most assists (237) in football history (opta assists)
• Most assists (197) in Bundesliga history
• Most assists (22) in one Bundesliga season (2019/20, 2020/21)
• Most assists (13) in the first half of a Bundesliga season (2021/22)
• Most assists (17) against one Bundesliga opponent (Bremen)

• 53 Champions League goals (7th most of all time)
• Most Champions League games played (142) by a German player
Most Champions League wins (99) by a German player
3rd most Champions League wins (99)

• Golden Boot (World Cup 2010)
• Best Young Player (World Cup 2010)
• 2nd best player of the tournament (World Cup 2014)
• Silver Golden Boot (World Cup 2014)
• 10 World Cup goals (in 19 games)

• Midfielder of the Year (2016) by German newspaper Kicker

• Ballon d’Or:

- 5th place (2014)
- 13th place (2011)
- 15th place (2010)
- 17th place (2013)

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga games won (87) as a player when scoring in them

• 320 wins after only 445 Bundesliga games is a record
• Highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player for one club
• 2nd highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player
• Highest number of substitutions (167) in the Bundesliga from the field

[RollMan]

Mala li je karijera Thomasa Mullera, veća od KDB-a kojeg si spominjao i mnogih drugih

THOMAS MÜLLER'S WHOLE CAREER:

| Stats for Bayern Munich:

669 games
235 goals
257 assists
492 G/A

| Stats for Germany:

123 games
45 goals
40 assists
85 G/A

| Combined stats for Bayern & Germany :

792 games
280 goals
297 assists
577 G/A

33 trophies:

• 12x Bundesliga
• 8x German Supercup
• 6x German Cup

• 2x Champions League
• 2x FIFA Club World Cup
• 2x UEFA Super Cup

• 1x World Cup

Best personal season at Bayern (2015/16):

49 games
32 goals
13 assists
45 G/A

Most goals in one season: 32 (2015/16)

Most assists in one season: 26 (2019/20)

Records & personal achievements:

• Most trophies (33) won by a German player in history
• Most trophies (32) won by a Bayern player in history
• Most Bundesliga titles (12) won in history, more than any other player and coach
• 2nd most league titles (12) won in history

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga titles (11) of any player and coach
• Most Bundesliga seasons played (16) by a Bayern player
• Most games played (667) by an outfield player in Bayern history

• Most German Supercup trophies (8)
• Most German Cup games played (64) by a Bayern player
• Most matches won (53) in the German Cup by any player in history

• 4x Bundesliga Team of the Season (2009/10, 2015/16, 2017/18, 2020/21)
• Bundesliga Newcomer of the Season (2009/10)

• 13th most assists (237) in football history (opta assists)
• Most assists (197) in Bundesliga history
• Most assists (22) in one Bundesliga season (2019/20, 2020/21)
• Most assists (13) in the first half of a Bundesliga season (2021/22)
• Most assists (17) against one Bundesliga opponent (Bremen)

• 53 Champions League goals (7th most of all time)
• Most Champions League games played (142) by a German player
Most Champions League wins (99) by a German player
3rd most Champions League wins (99)

• Golden Boot (World Cup 2010)
• Best Young Player (World Cup 2010)
• 2nd best player of the tournament (World Cup 2014)
• Silver Golden Boot (World Cup 2014)
• 10 World Cup goals (in 19 games)

• Midfielder of the Year (2016) by German newspaper Kicker

• Ballon d’Or:

- 5th place (2014)
- 13th place (2011)
- 15th place (2010)
- 17th place (2013)

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga games won (87) as a player when scoring in them

• 320 wins after only 445 Bundesliga games is a record
• Highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player for one club
• 2nd highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player
• Highest number of substitutions (167) in the Bundesliga from the field

Muller čitavu karijeru igra u mrtvoj Budnesligi , gdje su imali konkurenciju u 4 sezone od 15. KDB ipak igra na levelu više , već 8 godina

[dirkules]

Mala li je karijera Thomasa Mullera, veća od KDB-a kojeg si spominjao i mnogih drugih

THOMAS MÜLLER'S WHOLE CAREER:

| Stats for Bayern Munich:

669 games
235 goals
257 assists
492 G/A

| Stats for Germany:

123 games
45 goals
40 assists
85 G/A

| Combined stats for Bayern & Germany :

792 games
280 goals
297 assists
577 G/A

33 trophies:

• 12x Bundesliga
• 8x German Supercup
• 6x German Cup

• 2x Champions League
• 2x FIFA Club World Cup
• 2x UEFA Super Cup

• 1x World Cup

Best personal season at Bayern (2015/16):

49 games
32 goals
13 assists
45 G/A

Most goals in one season: 32 (2015/16)

Most assists in one season: 26 (2019/20)

Records & personal achievements:

• Most trophies (33) won by a German player in history
• Most trophies (32) won by a Bayern player in history
• Most Bundesliga titles (12) won in history, more than any other player and coach
• 2nd most league titles (12) won in history

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga titles (11) of any player and coach
• Most Bundesliga seasons played (16) by a Bayern player
• Most games played (667) by an outfield player in Bayern history

• Most German Supercup trophies (8)
• Most German Cup games played (64) by a Bayern player
• Most matches won (53) in the German Cup by any player in history

• 4x Bundesliga Team of the Season (2009/10, 2015/16, 2017/18, 2020/21)
• Bundesliga Newcomer of the Season (2009/10)

• 13th most assists (237) in football history (opta assists)
• Most assists (197) in Bundesliga history
• Most assists (22) in one Bundesliga season (2019/20, 2020/21)
• Most assists (13) in the first half of a Bundesliga season (2021/22)
• Most assists (17) against one Bundesliga opponent (Bremen)

• 53 Champions League goals (7th most of all time)
• Most Champions League games played (142) by a German player
Most Champions League wins (99) by a German player
3rd most Champions League wins (99)

• Golden Boot (World Cup 2010)
• Best Young Player (World Cup 2010)
• 2nd best player of the tournament (World Cup 2014)
• Silver Golden Boot (World Cup 2014)
• 10 World Cup goals (in 19 games)

• Midfielder of the Year (2016) by German newspaper Kicker

• Ballon d’Or:

- 5th place (2014)
- 13th place (2011)
- 15th place (2010)
- 17th place (2013)

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga games won (87) as a player when scoring in them

• 320 wins after only 445 Bundesliga games is a record
• Highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player for one club
• 2nd highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player
• Highest number of substitutions (167) in the Bundesliga from the field

Muller čitavu karijeru igra u mrtvoj Budnesligi , gdje su imali konkurenciju u 4 sezone od 15. KDB ipak igra na levelu više , već 8 godina

I neosporno je karijera Thomasa Mullera veća, i Thomas se dokazao na najvećem nivou (LP i reprezentacija) tako da nema uporišta ga downgradeovati.

[RollMan]

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Muller čitavu karijeru igra u mrtvoj Budnesligi , gdje su imali konkurenciju u 4 sezone od 15. KDB ipak igra na levelu više , već 8 godina

I neosporno je karijera Thomasa Mullera veća, i Thomas se dokazao na najvećem nivou (LP i reprezentacija) tako da nema uporišta ga downgradeovati.
[/quote]

Možda karijera veća, i to sticajem okolnosti jer je igrao/igra u nikad goroj Bundesligi od njenoj osnutka i u jačoj reprezentaciji od Belgije. Dakle BL ista ona u kojoj je KDB u osrednjem Wolfsburug šamarao po 20 asistencija i 15 golova , dosta mu je bilo sezona i pol da prekuca ligu.
I Kevin je sam dobijao velike utakmice i nosi svoj tim masu masu puta , možemo nabrajat u nedogled, i osim svega toga kad se stvari spuste na indiviudalni nivo, jedan je tehnički briljantan , drugi hoda i trči kao smlata

[IceTea]

Mala li je karijera Thomasa Mullera, veća od KDB-a kojeg si spominjao i mnogih drugih

THOMAS MÜLLER'S WHOLE CAREER:

| Stats for Bayern Munich:

669 games
235 goals
257 assists
492 G/A

| Stats for Germany:

123 games
45 goals
40 assists
85 G/A

| Combined stats for Bayern & Germany :

792 games
280 goals
297 assists
577 G/A

33 trophies:

• 12x Bundesliga
• 8x German Supercup
• 6x German Cup

• 2x Champions League
• 2x FIFA Club World Cup
• 2x UEFA Super Cup

• 1x World Cup

Best personal season at Bayern (2015/16):

49 games
32 goals
13 assists
45 G/A

Most goals in one season: 32 (2015/16)

Most assists in one season: 26 (2019/20)

Records & personal achievements:

• Most trophies (33) won by a German player in history
• Most trophies (32) won by a Bayern player in history
• Most Bundesliga titles (12) won in history, more than any other player and coach
• 2nd most league titles (12) won in history

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga titles (11) of any player and coach
• Most Bundesliga seasons played (16) by a Bayern player
• Most games played (667) by an outfield player in Bayern history

• Most German Supercup trophies (8)
• Most German Cup games played (64) by a Bayern player
• Most matches won (53) in the German Cup by any player in history

• 4x Bundesliga Team of the Season (2009/10, 2015/16, 2017/18, 2020/21)
• Bundesliga Newcomer of the Season (2009/10)

• 13th most assists (237) in football history (opta assists)
• Most assists (197) in Bundesliga history
• Most assists (22) in one Bundesliga season (2019/20, 2020/21)
• Most assists (13) in the first half of a Bundesliga season (2021/22)
• Most assists (17) against one Bundesliga opponent (Bremen)

• 53 Champions League goals (7th most of all time)
• Most Champions League games played (142) by a German player
Most Champions League wins (99) by a German player
3rd most Champions League wins (99)

• Golden Boot (World Cup 2010)
• Best Young Player (World Cup 2010)
• 2nd best player of the tournament (World Cup 2014)
• Silver Golden Boot (World Cup 2014)
• 10 World Cup goals (in 19 games)

• Midfielder of the Year (2016) by German newspaper Kicker

• Ballon d’Or:

- 5th place (2014)
- 13th place (2011)
- 15th place (2010)
- 17th place (2013)

• Highest number of consecutive Bundesliga games won (87) as a player when scoring in them

• 320 wins after only 445 Bundesliga games is a record
• Highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player for one club
• 2nd highest number of Bundesliga wins (320) for a player
• Highest number of substitutions (167) in the Bundesliga from the field

Muller čitavu karijeru igra u mrtvoj Budnesligi , gdje su imali konkurenciju u 4 sezone od 15. KDB ipak igra na levelu više , već 8 godina

KDB je bolji igrač. Muller daleko uspješniji. Tu priča završava.