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Post Postao/la Asteriks » 02 nov 2015, 10:15

Pomenuti igraci i nisu toliko vazni koliko cinjenica da sa top veznjacima, od kojih skoro svaki ima taj pas u nogama nije u stanju konstantno napredovati.

To sto kazes def dobri, jedino se vidilo protiv Citya i Evertona. Meceve gdje pokusavamo kontrolisati sredinu, obicno dobijemo po usima iz kontri, a u gostima cak i to nismo u stanju (primili 7 komada, 3 pobjede, remi i 2 poraza), sto bi se dalo trpiti da ima bilo kakve igre.

Da ne govorim o smijesnoj grupi lp i katastrofalnom ucinku.

Branite ga, to je vasa stvar, ali steti klubu. Mogao bi do sutra nizati negativnosti od kak je dosao. Nek je i fenomenalan manager, ali jednostavno nije kompatibilan za United :!:
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Re: Manchester United FC

Post Postao/la rio_Ferdy88 » 02 nov 2015, 10:20

Vidi se to čitavu sezonu, def smo dobri, još bez Shawa, opet se dobro nosimo. Samo je ta zadnja trećina problem, zato govorim o Rooneyu, koji je trenutno neupotrebljiv, samo nam koči igru u tom zadnjem dijelu, zato mora pokušati promijeniti nešto, što prije to bolje.

Ne branim ga nego govorim o Rooneyu, jasno je da igra tu trpi, ne sviđa se ni meni to, zato i spominjem da Lujo mora raditi promjene želi li da (p)ostanemo konkurentni, a ne ovako impotentni :P
Keep the faith and never fear, We'll keep the Red flag flying high, Cuz Man United will Never Die!!!
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Post Postao/la Asteriks » 02 nov 2015, 10:26

Ev kad me vec tjeras da vidimo taj def ucinak;

CP je imao dvije odlicne prilike, mozda i tri. Arsenal nas razapeo, cak je i mrtvi Sunderland imao svoje sanse. Od Swansea redovno dobijamo po :guz: dok protiv Sotona u jednom momentu nismo mogli preci pola.

Kada ozbiljniji protivnik zaprijeti, slijedi izbijanje lopti, David obicno preraste samog sebe itd.

Nek i izbaci Wazzu, sredi krila, dobicemo opet ofanzivnu na pogon individualnog majstorluka, jer Lujina filozofija ocito zivi od toga (sjetimo se Robbena na sp). A to nije ona obecana timska igra puna trke i kreativnosti.

Svako ima pravo na misljenje, sto postujem uz normalnu diskusiju a ne nesto tipa kuknjava

Vi vjerujete u napredak mi mastamo.
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Post Postao/la Patrice_Evra_3 » 02 nov 2015, 10:34

rio_Ferdy88 je napisao/la:Zanimljiv intervju sa Evrom, preporuka, posebno za našeg forumskog Pata :P
PATRICE EVRA was still recovering from the shock of Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement when “The Boss” played a significant part in resculpting Evra’s own future. Their conversation came near the end of the 2012-13 season, when Manchester United won the title by 11 points.
Ferguson: “Patrice, two people are going to be great managers in this team. You and Ryan Giggs.”
Evra: “Come on, boss!”
Ferguson: “Patrice, trust me because you understand football, you know how to talk to people, you’ve got the leadership. Forget tactics and everything; you know how to pass on your passion. You can easily pass on your inspiration, your leadership. Trust me — do your badges.”
Evra, who was about to turn 32, had not considered management until then. Before that season had finished he was coaching academy players. Now in his second year at Juventus, Evra regards his concluding years as an elite-level player as an observation course in Serie A tactics and preparation. “I am like a computer, I’m trying to absorb everything.”
When Ferguson spoke, you listened. The way his captain tells it, there was no point arguing when a halt was called to a quarter-century at Old Trafford. “I remember we talked maybe two weeks before and he said, ‘Patrice, I will be here another five years’,” says Evra, laughing. “I said. ‘Yes, boss. Let’s do it.’ I was so convinced. He was looking younger and younger, amazing. He even told me ‘99%, Cristiano Ronaldo will come’. I was like, ‘Wow, we are ready to bounce back and to even win the Champions League again’.
“After that everyone knows what happened. You know when you are lost and you feel like the world is crumbling? It was a big trauma. I felt lost.”
Ferguson had been working with Ronaldo’s representatives to bring the forward back from Real Madrid, and Ronaldo wanted the move. The decision to retire, he explained to his players, was made after a family bereavement, the death of his wife’s twin sister.
A year later, Evra himself had to face the decision: stay or go. Much has been said about the Frenchman’s transfer to Juventus 59 days after United announced a one-year extension to his contract. The standard narrative is that the left-back was too old; that the inbound Louis van Gaal preferred Luke Shaw, Marcos Rojo and Daley Blind in his position.
One reason Evra requested our interview was to let United’s supporters know why he left. The delicacy of the departure, and a desire not to offend Juve fans in detailing the pain it caused him, made Evra wait more than a year before speaking. “First of all I didn’t want to hear about any club because my club was Manchester United,” he says. “We have to be clear about that.
“David Moyes had said to me, ‘I really want you to stay because you are my captain’. I explain, ‘But I have got a family problem and it will be difficult for me to stay’. After that I met [executive vice-chairman] Ed Woodward, ‘Patrice, I know your problem, your agent told me about it, but I can’t lose you. You are such an important figure at the club.’”
Evra, whose wife wished to leave England, thanked Woodward and requested some time to think. While he was on holiday United announced that contract extension. His deal included an option for another year, and the club exercised it.
“Juventus had already talked to me. The challenge was so exciting. [Juve coach Antonio] Conte had called me a lot during the World Cup. It was not difficult to go to Juventus, because it is such a big, historic club. But it was difficult to leave Manchester United.
“Ryan Giggs called me and said ‘Come on Patrice, if you want, you can talk with [Louis] Van Gaal’. I say, ‘OK, but I am really upset and let’s see.’ Ed Woodward called me and said again ‘Patrice, I am sorry. But you have to stay, I will give you another two years contract.’ I understood he had the club’s interests at heart. I didn’t know what to do.
“The president of Juventus, Andrea Agnelli, called me and said ‘Look, we didn’t put your contract to the Italian league, you can change your mind, but we really want you here’. And I feel somebody really wants me strongly, with a lot of respect.
“After that I speak with my wife and she was ready to go, so I call Ed Woodward to say, ‘I am sorry, I already gave my word to Juventus, I can’t go back’.”
The hardest moment came when Evra went to say his farewells to a touring United team in their Los Angeles hotel. “It was one of the worst days in my life. Finally I meet Van Gaal. ‘Patrice, nice to meet you, a lot of people talk so well about you. I really want you to stay.’ I say, ‘It’s too late...’ ‘No. I have got a lot of plans for you, for you to play centre-back sometimes. Play 3-5-2.’
“And again I was thinking ‘Oh, my God.’ That’s why I don’t want to blame anybody. The only person who takes the full responsibility why I leave Man United is myself. I am the one to make the choice.”
Evra remembers looking at himself in black-and-white stripes and asking what he was doing. For two months he felt unable to give all of himself to his new team.
Slowly he began to appreciate the benefits of a training regime that demanded more than double the hours he had put in at United, a medical team that resolved a long-term health problem, and an approach to tactical preparation unlike anything he had known in reaching four Champions League finals with Monaco and United.
“I didn’t expect this,” he says. “ I learnt a lot about a way to be more professional — even if I was already a massive professional in Manchester. I was sometimes thinking, ‘You win a lot of trophies for Manchester but you could have done much more if you had known the Italian way to play.’
“I always say the Premier League is like two boxers fighting. The one who is least strong gets tired, he goes down. Here it is like a chess game, and you have to understand every move before you play with your quality, your strength, your skill. That’s the difference.”
Evra’s first season added Serie A and Coppa Italia titles to his 10 major trophies at United, and he was in the Champions League final again in May. In September, Juve went to Manchester City, fell a goal behind, but left as winners. Serie A is poised to displace the Premier League in third place in the Uefa rankings. Is he surprised?
“No. I learn a lot, and I’m a little bit worried about English football. Why? In Europe, being fast, being strong, playing only with your quality, you are going to struggle against teams that prepare. That is where England has to work, it is about tactics. But it is not easy, because the players won’t accept it.
“When Juventus played Manchester City — and it was an extra bonus of course as an ex-Red — I was not worried. Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City, when they buy expensive players a lot of people say, ‘They should win, you see all the wages he got’. But this is not the football.
“When you play against Manchester City, did any player win the Champions League in their squad? Before the game I thought, ‘In Juventus, I’ve got three or four.’ It’s not like being arrogant, but it’s just, ‘I know what I’ve got in my bag, let’s go.’
“Then before the game it’s like going into the restaurant. I say to [Massimiliano] Allegri, the coach, ‘What is on the menu today?’ Because he gives you all the information. Against City, the way we came out from the back, it was really smooth, because we train every day like that.
“When I’ve got the ball I have three solutions, I have to choose the best one. In England sometimes you’ve got the ball and you have to create something with your own skill. But in Italy they don’t leave you time to create. Allegri always says, ‘If this door is closed why go through it? Go to the open door. If that one is closed again, pass the ball back, then you go to the other door.’ That’s their philosophy, and I’m so lucky to get all of this information.”
If his luck holds, one day Evra wishes to pass that information to Premier League players. He already has the master’s seal of approval.
Neke dijelove sam ranije pročit'o, ali nisam čitav dosad. U svakom slučaju odličan intervju, puno interesantnih stvari, kao i obično kod Pata. :thumbup: Unitedovac all over. :salut:

Možda upravo njega i Giggsya dočekamo na klupi nekad. :)
Sve je relativno u odnosu na vrijeme i mjesto.

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Re: Manchester United FC

Post Postao/la rio_Ferdy88 » 02 nov 2015, 10:37

Pa to je i dalje bolje nego većina drugih timova u ligi u def, jedino Arsenal i Spursi su tu negdje, ali isto tako i napredak u odnosu na prošlu sezonu. Plus smo ostali bez startera i jednog od boljih bekova u ligi odmah na početku sezone pa se krpimo, za mene taj dio igre nije problem.

U ofanzivi mora bolje, to je jasno, mora biti puno više kreativnosti i dinamike, Rooney ili klupa ili ga vratiti nazad, nema se tu šta čekati više, jer svakom tekmom samo možemo zaostati više za konkurentima.
Keep the faith and never fear, We'll keep the Red flag flying high, Cuz Man United will Never Die!!!
The greater the challenge the more Glory in overcoming it!
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..NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS..

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Post Postao/la argentarium80 » 02 nov 2015, 10:52

Ja mislim da je i umjesto Rooneya Ronaldo da bi igra bila ista, jednostavno igrac kad primi loptu uvijek gleda prvo nazad kome da je da pa onda dok se cijela odbrana postavi protivnicka kao nesto krenu na bok pa sa boka na drugi bok i tako...Dali su jedan go tako sa hiljadu dodavanja i vise nista nije proslo...

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Re: Manchester United FC

Post Postao/la Marvin » 02 nov 2015, 11:09

Vidim i kod vas vesela tema ko i kod nas(Juventus). Vama su bar pojacanja tipa Martiala ili Depaja,mladi i mocni igraci dok je velika zelja Alegrija bio Mandzukic :lol:
Juve kao i United ima bolje igrace i uslove od rezultata. Van Gaal je brku para potrosio a znate bas anemicno djelovati. Bas kao i Juve. Trener je sigurno 80% problema. 10 utakmica Juventusa i isto toliko formacija,experimenata,nema niko pojma koja nam je prva postava niti zasto su na klupi igraci koji su u kakvoj-takvoj formi. Elem sve simptomi trenerove bezidejnosti.
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Post Postao/la Asteriks » 02 nov 2015, 11:15

rio_Ferdy88 je napisao/la:Pa to je i dalje bolje nego većina drugih timova u ligi u def, jedino Arsenal i Spursi su tu negdje, ali isto tako i napredak u odnosu na prošlu sezonu. Plus smo ostali bez startera i jednog od boljih bekova u ligi odmah na početku sezone pa se krpimo, za mene taj dio igre nije problem.

U ofanzivi mora bolje, to je jasno, mora biti puno više kreativnosti i dinamike, Rooney ili klupa ili ga vratiti nazad, nema se tu šta čekati više, jer svakom tekmom samo možemo zaostati više za konkurentima.
Od prosle ne moze gore (klokana ne ubacujem u ozbiljna poredjenja).

Sta mislis zasto je sada trun bolja defanziva ali jos uvijek dosta rupa?

Ev da ti kazem, sjecas se formacije Wazza amf, Martial spic, Depay i Mata krila. Svi pomenuti preofanzivni, pa se tim 80% meca brani sa 6 igraca bez potpore krila il u ovom slucaju Andera (koji radi posao u oba pravca). Pa ovo ne bi izveo ni ebeni McClaren, a fol trazi neki balans.

Ako vec nema te krilne potpore, onda se mora pojacati veza, sto je napokon i uradio nakon blamaze protiv topnika.

Msm da bi mnogo bolje izgledali kada bi Young i Lingard isli po krilima, a Juan/Ander (Juana za bunkere a Andera protiv ofanzivnijih protivnika koji se zele nadigravati) ispod Martiala.
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Post Postao/la Paradajz » 02 nov 2015, 11:18

Ma vi nemate sirinu u napadu, a kako igrati tranziciju kada se lopta davi, nema brzog prelaza u napad, i onda se nailazi na bedeme ili odlicno postavljene odbrane, gde je bar dva do tri igraca tu neupotrebljivo. Rooney kao prvi, mada je on trenutno neupotrebljiv kako god se okrene, onda Herrera koji igra 10-ku, u ovakvoj postavci, on nije taj igrac. Nije sporno da ima pas dobar, ali ne i dovoljan kako bi bio vrhunski kreator, jer on to ni u Bilbaou nije igrao. Tj. igrao je, ali se igra u Bilbaou igra bazira drugacije, igra se brze, konkretnije, sa manje poseda i onda presser rola Herrere dolazi do izrazaja, taj presing, to ubacivanje iz drugog plana, to je Ander Herrera, a on to u posedu od 70% retko kad ce raditi, mada ce u defanzivi i trcanju uvek dati svoj doprinos. A centralnog vezno ocigledno nece igrati u skorije vreme, osim ako LvG ne predje na 4-3-3 gde bi kao side veznjak verovatno vise doprineo, mada se opet svodi na istu stvar. Mata na krilu je jos jedna stvar koja nije kompatibilna na duze staze. Dolazi se do zakljucka da vi zapravo imate samo jednu vrhunsku opciju na krilu, i to igraca koji i nije krilo. Young je mozda jedina druga ozbiljna opcija, dok Depay, pitanje je sta ce biti sa njim, on mi se odavno nije nikako uklapao u filozofiju van Gaala, jer nema pas i komplikuje previse, a nema klasu za to, bar ne jos uvek.

Slazem se sa Riom da je odbrana sasvim dobra i korektna. Veliki je udarac ova povreda Shawa, ali moze se to istrpeti. Small po meni najbolji stoper lige trenutno, Darmian medju boljim bekovima lige, eto i Blind ima dobru rolu nekog sweepera, a sa ovim veznim, to izgleda vrlo kompaktno.
Dakle krilo u januaru vam ne gine, ako se uopste cilja neka titula ove godine.

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Post Postao/la theboss_RD07 » 02 nov 2015, 12:06

Ne daj Boze da se Martial povrijedi :pray:

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Post Postao/la Devi1 » 02 nov 2015, 12:19

Počinjem sumnjati da nas Van Gaal više planirao iskoristi za samopromociju sa nekim novim stilom, al hajd. Da se razumije, niko ne govori da je Rooney jedini problem, al generalno on izaziva većinu drugih. Pravi od Mate, Martiala, Herrere, Memphisa gore igrače, dok ne donosi apsolutno ništa.
Trenutno smo jedna od najlošijih napadačkih ekipa u ligi, ako ne i najlošiji. Toliko majstora u ekipi, fantastičan potencijal, a mi gledamo dosadno peglanje. Bastian, Herrera, Morgan, Mata, Memphis, pa i Rooney, svi imaju prilično dobre šuteve, al majke mi ne pamtim kad je ko zadnji puta opucao izvan 16. Pa majku mu, ne mora to biti čista prilika, opucaj pa šta bude, probaj. Sledeći put kad je neko u takvoj situaciji povući će protivničkog igrača da blokira, možda i više, eto prostora, eto viška. Najjednostavniji mogući način, a kod nas komplikovanje do bola. Kako je lako protiv nas igrati, za ne povjerovati. Bukvalno ono, ne diraj ih, i neće ni oni nas.
Za početak bilo kakve promjene, dati Rooneyu odmora od svega, i krenuti igrati otvorenije i konkretnije. Yebem ti davljenje.

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Re: Manchester United FC

Post Postao/la rio_Ferdy88 » 02 nov 2015, 12:19

Asteriks je napisao/la:
Ako vec nema te krilne potpore, onda se mora pojacati veza, sto je napokon i uradio nakon blamaze protiv topnika.

Msm da bi mnogo bolje izgledali kada bi Young i Lingard isli po krilima, a Juan/Ander (Juana za bunkere a Andera protiv ofanzivnijih protivnika koji se zele nadigravati) ispod Martiala.
Young je bio povrijeđen pa mislim da i zbog toga nismo imali nekog izbora po toj lijevoj strani (eventualno Perreira), a on je svakako zbog svoje defanzive bolji izbor od Depaya trenutno, tako da se slažem sa tim dijelom. A čim je Morgan u timu def smo puno kompaktniji i črvšči, najbolji primjer je ona tekma protiv Arsenala.

I slažem se i sa Freshkom po pitanju krila, morali bi krenuti po jedno u januaru ako želimo ozbiljno zaprijetiti u toj utrci za titulu (mada su Arsenal i City opet ispred i sa tim), nameće se Anderson iz Lazia kao izbor, jer većina drugih kvalitetnih opcija je u tom prijelaznom roku zauzeta.
Keep the faith and never fear, We'll keep the Red flag flying high, Cuz Man United will Never Die!!!
The greater the challenge the more Glory in overcoming it!
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Post Postao/la Septerra » 02 nov 2015, 14:17

Čini mi se da je najava borbe za titlulu bila samo floskula.

Ponavljamo se po hiljaditi put na temu Lujine filozofije ali meni se čini da na duže staze ona može piti vode ili bar to meni tako djeluje iz moje laičke perspektive.

Na kraće staze ne uspijeva, to jest mi gubimo konzistentnost svako malo. LvG najviše inzistira na posjedu i defanzivi i to je proizvod kako njegovog trenetskog stila tako i proizvod procesa učenja (poraz od 3-5 od Leicstera, poraz 3-0 od Arsenala). Igra u defanzivi se poboljšala u odnosu na prošlu sezonu, sjetite se samo koliko nam je bodova De Gea spasio sam. Ali u odnosu na prošlu sezonu ove smo zabrinjavajuće neučinkoviti niti nešto stvaramo šanse. Malo me ko može ubijediti da je to samo do trenera jer nije trener kriv što Rooney ne može uštopati loptu niti iskoristiti lucidan pas u prazan prostor.

I ima još ta činjenica da igramo jako mnogo utakmica a prošle smo ih igrali dosta manje, naročito u ovom periodu prošle godine. Cilj je, kako ja to vidim, ne gubiti utakmice već na uštrb dobre igre gurati sve dok: igrači ne uđu u formu, dobijemo nove igrače, imamo osvježene igrače ili promijenimo taktički pristup.

Igramo još dvije utakmice ove sedmice i ja sam lično spreman na razočarenja ali od 21.11. očekujem bolji United - i rezultatski i igrački.

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Post Postao/la Asteriks » 02 nov 2015, 17:07

Sutra prenos na AS 1.
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Post Postao/la Format » 02 nov 2015, 17:14

Sta je as1


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Format je napisao/la:Sta je as1


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Post Postao/la Septerra » 02 nov 2015, 18:13

slika

Talk to the hand man, talk to the hand. Da ga hoce sutra zabiti pa da nas sve obraduje.

Ovo je u vezi s onim sto je Louis vec rekao a danas potvrdio: nikakve napadacke taktike se nisu uigravale na treningu nit ce se uigravati u skorije vrijeme. Prepusteni smo greskama protivnika i sreci.

Za Martala je rekao da je najbolje da se razvija kao napadac (to znaci da ce igrati 9ku?). Za sterilnost u ofanzivi da je "moment in process" (naslutih ovo danas :mrgreen: ). Runjaru i dalje brani.

Jones se vraca u kombinaciju i valjda starta sutra.

Depay je out jer se nije oporavio. Loius ga brani:
"I have said he is the greatest talent of his age but he is only 21 and you cannot expect consistency, He is at a stage of his career where he must adapt to many things. I'm convinced he's coming back maybe stronger than before but we have to give him time, like we will with Martial when he is a little bit lower in his shape."
Sta velite na ovo sto je izbacen iz nacionalne selekcije?

Sta mislite kako cemo odigrati sutra, koliko golova ce Wazza dati i tako to?

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Post Postao/la Format » 02 nov 2015, 19:38

Nebi im zaigrao nikad vise pa nek im igraju oni iz rode itd.. Depay ce uspijet,bit ce to igracina,treba mu mAlo ovo da se smiri u glavi da spadne pritisak s njega..


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