Manchester United FC - ARHIVA POSTOVA

[Belmin6]

Šta ce nam napadac ?

Martial je WC kapacitet, pustiti momka da se razvija i vozdra.

Nama je potrebno desno krilo i stoper.

[Asteriks]

Nije Rooney kriv, ali nazalost kapiten je vec neko vrijeme van svake forme. Nije to vise slucaj manjka kreiranih sansi, utarcavanja, otvaranja, duela, suteva van sesnesterca itd. Covjek jednostavno nije level Uniteda u ovom momentu.

Branio sam ga svim i svacim (a prosle zalsuge i uspjesi su mi bili cvrsti dokazi). Da li je u pitanju psiha, il spoj psihe, pada spreme il nesto trece, ko ce ga znati.

Jasno je da tek tako ne moze zaboraviti lopte, so bi se reklo. Sigurno da i ovaj sistem snosi dio krivice, ali bar od Luje ima punu podrsku i vrijeme da pokaze barem 50 % svog znanja.

Znamo sta je krasilo pomenutog: borbenost, pokrivanje terena cak i za dvije pozicije, kvalitetan pas, razoran sut, sama inteligencija igre te snaga.

[Baader]

Kad smo krenuli konstruktivno,

još jedna stvar me jako nerivra. Prekidi.

Više je i površnim poznavateljima igre sasvim jasno i očigledno da svaki prekid ide pozadinska lopta na Fellainija, dakle SVAKA. A ne pamtim gol iz prekida glavom. Doduše, dokle smo došli, ne pamtim gol.

[Asteriks]

Bas sam jucer pominjao taj problem. Potrebno uigrati par situacija, te obavezno promijeniti izvodjaca.

Znamo da su Rooney i Mata glavne tate po tom pitanju.

Msm da bi Young, Ander te mozda i Bastian mogli doci u opticaj, cak i Blind u nekim opcijama, pogotov kada je u pitanju prekid sa lijeve strane.

Ima tu dosta skakaca osim Felle, pocev od Smalla, Roja, Morgana, Jonesa (svake prestupne kad igra), Martiala, itd.

[theboss_RD07]

Šta ce nam napadac ?

Martial je WC kapacitet, pustiti momka da se razvija i vozdra.

Nama je potrebno desno krilo i stoper.

Sta je sa lijevim krilom? Tu smo dosad racunali da imamo Memphisa koji nije pokazao ni 10% od onoga sto se ocekivalo (mada se, realno, ocekivalo previse od njega) Eto sad sjedi na klupi, ako ce vec tu bit, daj bar nekog ko je first-team material pa ih rotiraj.

[Septerra]

Definitvno nam treba napadac i to klasni, neko kao RvP od par sezona. Rooney ce vremenom ici sve vise u sredinu, Martial je dobar i po lijevom krilu. Wilson nam jedina alternativa.

Bice Mems dobar ljudi, treba mu bar jedna sezona da se adaptira. Desno krilo nam treba.

Slazem se ovo za prekide jer imamo dobrih skakaca i pored Felle. A Depay i Pereira su dobri izvodjaci.

Zalim sto Young ne igra lijevog veznog, bio je dobar bas tu ali znam da smo deficitarni s kadrom.

Meni Rooney nije za 9ku nikako a ni na 10 nije blistao. Najbolje mu, po meni, lezi ova pozicija sto igraju Basti i Fella.

[Belmin6]

Ocekivanja su visoko kod Depaya. Momak prolazi kroz fazu navike na ovu ligu.

Ako je Martial odmah eksplodirao, ne mora znaciti da mora i drugi. To su momci, pred njima su tek prave utakmice.

Problem je što su nam igraci koji bi trebali nositi ekipe i biti kostur tanki, loši. Možda je to do formacije, previše se petlja na sredini.

U našoj ekipi, cim se stvori situaciji 1na1, vrati se lopta do beka ili holdera. Previše smo "soft". Samo Martial s vremena na vrijeme podje u dribling, ali i to kada je baš blizu gola.

Van Gal mora nešto mjenjati, ove tri utakmice bez gola mu govore mnogo.

[edoroki]

Meni je iskreno zao one 7ice na onom memphisu,isto kao kad je valencia nosio,dobro bi bilo kupit Mane-a,zaista odlican igrac...

[Patrice_Evra_3]

Ono, jest da je ŠBB-KBB, ali ja sam uvjeren da bi uzeli sigurno barem dva od zadnja tri meča sa Martialom u špicu, a Rooneyem na klupi ili tribinama. Znači, čvrsta odbrana i vezni red su tu, što je za mene glavni temelj svakog uspjeha, samo fali taj ofanzivni učinak, kojeg najviše koči kapiten. Gled'o sam još nekoliko put onaj perfektan pas Martiala od jučer i ne mogu da vjerujem da je ono uspio uprskat.

Ono, ne kažem da je igra bajna i da pršti od šansi, ali vjerujem da bi ovo bilo sasvim dovoljno i učinkovito sa normalnim špicem, što Rooney u ovom trenutku nije, a ova tvrdnja se i dokazala u onih nekoliko nekoliko mečeva sa Martialom u vrhu napada i čvrsto vjerujem da bi to izgledalo daleko bolje sa njim u špicu. Obzirom da Memphis nije u nekoj formi, tu je Young, koji je oporavljen sad i koji je bio sasvim solidan u onih par mečeva koje je odigrao na krilu i sigurno je opcija da pošalje Rooneya na klupu, ali teško je to očekivati obzirom koliko ga LvG štiti.

[Asteriks]

Mala paralela

Soton, naravno manji klub, al prodali: Lallanu, Shawa, Clynea, Morgana, Chambersa, jos ranije Ox-a, itd.

Ljudi doveli kvalitetnog strucnjaka, zakrpili par pozicija, jasan pravac igre (direktno, po potrebi cuvanje posjeda itd.).

Znaci toliko promjena u zadnje vrijeme, i nastavili skoro u sl ritmu od prosle sezone. U obzir treba uzeti budzet kluba i jos neke stvari.

Naravno da je United druga prica, ogromna ocekivanja, pritisak, al dosta toga krenulo po zlu.

U opticaju astronomski tranferi, pojacana veza, koja je bila suplja jos od odlaska Scholesa, napravjena fina cista, ali napretka nema.

Ne uzimam Soton za neko diretkno poredjenje, ali je vidljivo kako za relativno kratak period se moze poboljsati igra.

Pa jedan Inter je trenutno kreativniji. Pa onda BVB, nakon 11 kola vidljiv napredak, msm sta pojedinci zele reci sa onim - it's a proces (citirajuci Gaala). Kakav proces, koliko traje??

I prosle je bio taj niz od pet - sest kvalitetnih utakmica, i onda po starom. Ove protiv Evertona, Citya i to je to (govorim o konstantnosti, sigruno da ce biti ponovo koji bljesak).

Jel neko toliko naivan pa misli da se u narednim mecevima nesto zanacajno moze promijeniti, kada nije evo vec sezonu ipo.

[Belmin6]

Možemo mi sigurno igrati bolje s Galom, nije da nismo igrali.

Ova igra ubitacnog posjeda je oke formacija, dosadna jeste, ali i za nju moraš imati majstore fudbalske igrice.

Mi s ovom igrom možemo proci dobro jedino ako zabijemo rani gol, pa protivnik mora juriti.

Kod ove formacije je kljuc što u njoj ucestvuje cijela ekipa, pa jedna greška dovede do opasnosti. Eto npr. Arsenal, demoliranje u 20. minuta.

Poslije te tekme, Van Gal je smanjio i tako nizak intezitet napada. Sada više nema ni onih malo direktnih pasova.

Prošle godine je tegobio 352 dugo, vidio nakon dosta vremena da ne može. Nakon toga je ekipa igrala ekstra fudbal.

[516MK]

Možemo mi sigurno igrati bolje s Galom, nije da nismo igrali.

Ova igra ubitacnog posjeda je oke formacija, dosadna jeste, ali i za nju moraš imati majstore fudbalske igrice.

Mi s ovom igrom možemo proci dobro jedino ako zabijemo rani gol, pa protivnik mora juriti.

Kod ove formacije je kljuc što u njoj ucestvuje cijela ekipa, pa jedna greška dovede do opasnosti. Eto npr. Arsenal, demoliranje u 20. minuta.

Poslije te tekme, Van Gal je smanjio i tako nizak intezitet napada. Sada više nema ni onih malo direktnih pasova.

Prošle godine je tegobio 352 dugo, vidio nakon dosta vremena da ne može. Nakon toga je ekipa igrala ekstra fudbal.

Stvar i jeste u tome da je bolje upravo onda kada se on okani budalaština poput 352. Apsolutno mi ne smeta (iako me lik pojavom užasno iritira) da ga dugo gledam na klupi, a da UTD igra onako kako treba i može, ali on ne bi bio arogantni fakin da je tako. I sada uporno forsira ovakvu, ma ne mogu je nazvati igrom jer je sve osim igra, dakle, ovo nešto, na štetu kluba, u drugi plan stavlja rezultat u svim takmičenjima da bi dokazao i istjerao nešto "svoje", a Bog me ubio ako iko zna šta je to "njegovo". Kada su ljudi neshvaćeni to se može protumačiti na dva načina, da su geniji ili opšte budale. On konstantno iznosi dokaze drugog objašnjenja njegove neshvatljivosti.

[Format]

Napravio Martial Rooneyu sansu,moj dedo na stakama bi ino stigao


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[rio_Ferdy88]

Zanimljiv intervju sa Evrom, preporuka, posebno za našeg forumskog Pata

PATRICE EVRA was still recovering from the shock of Sir Alex Ferguson’s retirement when “The Boss” played a significant part in resculpting Evra’s own future. Their conversation came near the end of the 2012-13 season, when Manchester United won the title by 11 points.
Ferguson: “Patrice, two people are going to be great managers in this team. You and Ryan Giggs.”
Evra: “Come on, boss!”
Ferguson: “Patrice, trust me because you understand football, you know how to talk to people, you’ve got the leadership. Forget tactics and everything; you know how to pass on your passion. You can easily pass on your inspiration, your leadership. Trust me — do your badges.”
Evra, who was about to turn 32, had not considered management until then. Before that season had finished he was coaching academy players. Now in his second year at Juventus, Evra regards his concluding years as an elite-level player as an observation course in Serie A tactics and preparation. “I am like a computer, I’m trying to absorb everything.”
When Ferguson spoke, you listened. The way his captain tells it, there was no point arguing when a halt was called to a quarter-century at Old Trafford. “I remember we talked maybe two weeks before and he said, ‘Patrice, I will be here another five years’,” says Evra, laughing. “I said. ‘Yes, boss. Let’s do it.’ I was so convinced. He was looking younger and younger, amazing. He even told me ‘99%, Cristiano Ronaldo will come’. I was like, ‘Wow, we are ready to bounce back and to even win the Champions League again’.
“After that everyone knows what happened. You know when you are lost and you feel like the world is crumbling? It was a big trauma. I felt lost.”
Ferguson had been working with Ronaldo’s representatives to bring the forward back from Real Madrid, and Ronaldo wanted the move. The decision to retire, he explained to his players, was made after a family bereavement, the death of his wife’s twin sister.
A year later, Evra himself had to face the decision: stay or go. Much has been said about the Frenchman’s transfer to Juventus 59 days after United announced a one-year extension to his contract. The standard narrative is that the left-back was too old; that the inbound Louis van Gaal preferred Luke Shaw, Marcos Rojo and Daley Blind in his position.
One reason Evra requested our interview was to let United’s supporters know why he left. The delicacy of the departure, and a desire not to offend Juve fans in detailing the pain it caused him, made Evra wait more than a year before speaking. “First of all I didn’t want to hear about any club because my club was Manchester United,” he says. “We have to be clear about that.
“David Moyes had said to me, ‘I really want you to stay because you are my captain’. I explain, ‘But I have got a family problem and it will be difficult for me to stay’. After that I met [executive vice-chairman] Ed Woodward, ‘Patrice, I know your problem, your agent told me about it, but I can’t lose you. You are such an important figure at the club.’”
Evra, whose wife wished to leave England, thanked Woodward and requested some time to think. While he was on holiday United announced that contract extension. His deal included an option for another year, and the club exercised it.
“Juventus had already talked to me. The challenge was so exciting. [Juve coach Antonio] Conte had called me a lot during the World Cup. It was not difficult to go to Juventus, because it is such a big, historic club. But it was difficult to leave Manchester United.
“Ryan Giggs called me and said ‘Come on Patrice, if you want, you can talk with [Louis] Van Gaal’. I say, ‘OK, but I am really upset and let’s see.’ Ed Woodward called me and said again ‘Patrice, I am sorry. But you have to stay, I will give you another two years contract.’ I understood he had the club’s interests at heart. I didn’t know what to do.
“The president of Juventus, Andrea Agnelli, called me and said ‘Look, we didn’t put your contract to the Italian league, you can change your mind, but we really want you here’. And I feel somebody really wants me strongly, with a lot of respect.
“After that I speak with my wife and she was ready to go, so I call Ed Woodward to say, ‘I am sorry, I already gave my word to Juventus, I can’t go back’.”
The hardest moment came when Evra went to say his farewells to a touring United team in their Los Angeles hotel. “It was one of the worst days in my life. Finally I meet Van Gaal. ‘Patrice, nice to meet you, a lot of people talk so well about you. I really want you to stay.’ I say, ‘It’s too late...’ ‘No. I have got a lot of plans for you, for you to play centre-back sometimes. Play 3-5-2.’
“And again I was thinking ‘Oh, my God.’ That’s why I don’t want to blame anybody. The only person who takes the full responsibility why I leave Man United is myself. I am the one to make the choice.”
Evra remembers looking at himself in black-and-white stripes and asking what he was doing. For two months he felt unable to give all of himself to his new team.
Slowly he began to appreciate the benefits of a training regime that demanded more than double the hours he had put in at United, a medical team that resolved a long-term health problem, and an approach to tactical preparation unlike anything he had known in reaching four Champions League finals with Monaco and United.
“I didn’t expect this,” he says. “ I learnt a lot about a way to be more professional — even if I was already a massive professional in Manchester. I was sometimes thinking, ‘You win a lot of trophies for Manchester but you could have done much more if you had known the Italian way to play.’
“I always say the Premier League is like two boxers fighting. The one who is least strong gets tired, he goes down. Here it is like a chess game, and you have to understand every move before you play with your quality, your strength, your skill. That’s the difference.”
Evra’s first season added Serie A and Coppa Italia titles to his 10 major trophies at United, and he was in the Champions League final again in May. In September, Juve went to Manchester City, fell a goal behind, but left as winners. Serie A is poised to displace the Premier League in third place in the Uefa rankings. Is he surprised?
“No. I learn a lot, and I’m a little bit worried about English football. Why? In Europe, being fast, being strong, playing only with your quality, you are going to struggle against teams that prepare. That is where England has to work, it is about tactics. But it is not easy, because the players won’t accept it.
“When Juventus played Manchester City — and it was an extra bonus of course as an ex-Red — I was not worried. Paris Saint-Germain, Manchester City, when they buy expensive players a lot of people say, ‘They should win, you see all the wages he got’. But this is not the football.
“When you play against Manchester City, did any player win the Champions League in their squad? Before the game I thought, ‘In Juventus, I’ve got three or four.’ It’s not like being arrogant, but it’s just, ‘I know what I’ve got in my bag, let’s go.’
“Then before the game it’s like going into the restaurant. I say to [Massimiliano] Allegri, the coach, ‘What is on the menu today?’ Because he gives you all the information. Against City, the way we came out from the back, it was really smooth, because we train every day like that.
“When I’ve got the ball I have three solutions, I have to choose the best one. In England sometimes you’ve got the ball and you have to create something with your own skill. But in Italy they don’t leave you time to create. Allegri always says, ‘If this door is closed why go through it? Go to the open door. If that one is closed again, pass the ball back, then you go to the other door.’ That’s their philosophy, and I’m so lucky to get all of this information.”
If his luck holds, one day Evra wishes to pass that information to Premier League players. He already has the master’s seal of approval.

[Paradajz]

Ovaj lik je pobedio.

Inace, zaista ne shvatam dokle ce se gurati ocajni Rooney, a gusiti Martial na krilu, zarad cega ? Hajde, momak cak i tu igra sjajno jer je nesumnjivo jedan od najkompletnijih najmladjih igraca u svetu, ali ovoliko preterivanje sa Wayneom koji ne moze ni da potrci (ona sansa koju mu je dao Martial, gde je golman pre njega stigao loptu, prkosi nekim zakonima fizke), je zaista neverovatno, i ako vas nesto ukopa ove sezone u nekoj borbi za titulu, to je Rooney. Mozda van Gaal ocekuje iz svakog meca neki njegov potez, kvalitet i iskustvo, staru slavu, ne zeli da ga se resi, a nema jaku alternativu na krilu, jer se Memphis pokazao bas onako kako sam i ocekivao (davitelj lopte i ogranicenost u pas igri totalna, plus nema doprinos u odbrani, kod van Gaala je to klupa), pa onda k'o veli, neka Martiala koji ima brzinu i jednostavnost, a Rooneya u napad dok ne proradi, poprilicno rizicna i rekao bih destruktivna politika LvG-a.

[Asteriks]

Djaba i Wazza u formi kada je razmak izmjedu ofanzivnih igraca prevelik. Recemo kada jedan Martial primi loptu, jedina solucija je nanizati dva - tri defanzivca.

Svaki pas i dubine koji prodje prema naprijed, obicno naidje na kvalitetno postavljenu odbranu zbog puzevog tempa il se pod pritiskom vraca nazad.

Kretnje su zastrasujuce, a vecina napada ide u sirinu tj. ka jedinstvenom cilju - centriranja ili ak pomenuti Martial zalomi u sredinu pa navuce protivnika, gdje se otvaraju rupe i moze zavrsiti il asistirati.

O jednostavnim duplim pasovima nema govora. Jadni Mata uzme loptu, pa se uvlaci, gleda trazi, a ima sta da vidi. Rooney okruzen stoperima, Martial izolovan, desnog krila ionako nema.

Vecina ekipa nas cita doslovno ko bukvar.

[rio_Ferdy88]

Da je Rooney na nivou lakše bi razbijali te odbrane, ovako i ono malo prilika što stvorimo on upropasti (kao ona protiv Palacea), ne kažem da je on jedini krivac, sigurno tu ima i do sistema igre, ali mora LVG pokušati i nešto drugo, npr sa Martialom u špicu, Young sad kad je zdrav može na njegovo mjesto, a Rooney nek odmori, barem jedno pol ili neka ga vrati nazad.

[Asteriks]

Djaba ti vrhunski napadaci, kad iole strucan manager zatvori Matu / Andera i pisi propalo. Nema raznovrsnosti u igri, otvaranja.

Pa covjece mi nismo u stanju iskoristiti Bastiana / Morgana i pomen Andera. Top veznjaci, opremljeni svim i svacim.

Sta bi da je imao Cleva, Carricka u ovoj formi (ipak je maestro bez obzira na sve i legenda kluba, al godine uzimaju svoje) i Andersona. Msm da bi grcali na dnu tabele.

[rio_Ferdy88]

Bastiana i Morgana mislim da dobro koristimo, jer kontrolišemo tu igru na sredini, def smo dosta dobri u tom dijelu, Morgan tu ima zasluge, ali u toj zadnjoj trećini nam fali kreativnosti definitivno, a i ono što iskreiramo, ne realizujemo onoliko koliko bi morali, zato je taj napadač bitan, da otvara te odbrane svojim kretnjama, a Rooney to trenutno nije u stanju.

A ne vjerujem da bi ijedan drugi menadžer osim Fergiea nešto uradio sa tim gore koje si spomenuo, mada je on i doveo Andersona, koji je kasnije i propao kao žeton, tako da i nije najbolji primjer

[EPL]

Djaba ti vrhunski napadaci, kad iole strucan manager zatvori Matu / Andera i pisi propalo. Nema raznovrsnosti u igri, otvaranja.

Pa covjece mi nismo u stanju iskoristiti Bastiana / Morgana i pomen Andera. Top veznjaci, opremljeni svim i svacim.

Sta bi da je imao Cleva, Carricka u ovoj formi (ipak je maestro bez obzira na sve i legenda kluba, al godine uzimaju svoje) i Andersona. Msm da bi grcali na dnu tabele.

Fergie znao iskorsititi Fletchera, Andersona, Cleverleya, Gibsona...... opet se vidi koliko je Lujo pogrešan.