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Post Postao/la Sissoko » 09 okt 2014, 09:24

The Stigma of Calciopoli
By Emmet Gates @@E_I_M_G · On October 8, 2014

‘’Same old Juve, always cheating!’’ was the chant that echoed throughout the Tallaght Stadium in Dublin. It’s July 2010 and I’m in amongst the 6,000 capacity crowd for the Europa League qualifier that pitted Shamrock Rovers against La Vecchia Signora.

What was the cause for such a chant? Diego had dived to win a free kick in a meaningless position. A deed performed by footballers every week, in every corner of the globe. Yet when a Juventus player does it, it constitutes ‘cheating’ and a not-so-subtle nod to Calciopoli.

Upon hearing the chants, I remember sitting in my seat, thinking ‘’how long is the stigma of 2006 going to last, it was four years ago?’’ A further four years on and I’m still pondering.

The eagerly anticipated clash with Roma on Sunday night made headlines for all the wrong reasons, as once more a referee made himself the protagonist in a Juventus game. A game that was supposed to represent the best the Italian game currently had to offer, transcended into farce and mud-slinging post-game.

Was Pogba inside the box? Was Maicon’s arm raised? Was Vidal obstructing the goalkeeper? Frankly I’m not going to get into these issues, as both sets of fans have discussed their cases until they’re blue in the face. My problem is the reaction of neutral fans.

Italians are always going to hold Juve under suspicion, everybody loves to hate the Bianconeri in the peninsula, that’s a given. It’s the only correlation supporters of Inter and say, Leece have with one another. As club legend Pavel Nedved said this week ‘’ If you work or play for Juve, everyone is against you.’’

Having read numerous comments made on the Internet in the aftermath of the game from both Serie A and non-Serie A fans, it’s not surprising to feel the ghost of Calciopoli once more emerging into focus.

Juventus fans know that Calciopoli was a travesty, anyone with a computer and an Internet connection can uncover that, but most outside of Italy don’t. Their knowledge of the subject is limited to knowing that Juve got relegated for ‘match-fixing’ (with the ironic part being, that even if the trumped up charges were legitimate, it wasn’t ‘match-fixing’) and stripped of two titles.

Whenever I happen to be in a social setting with newly acquainted people, and the inevitable topic of Football arises and who one supports, it isn’t long after admitting that I am a devotee of The Old Lady that I get the now-expected ‘’cheats or match-fixing’ remark thrown my way.

They don’t know that years later Juve were acquitted of any wrongdoing, whilst it was the supposedly ‘clean’ Inter who were by far the worst offenders and should have been demoted, but it was too late. The mud had stuck, and it can’t be removed.

Sunday evening was nothing more than Gianluca Rocchi simply being incompetent and losing control of the match early on. Yet to the wider audience it could be ascertained that the status quo had returned. Juve receiving questionable refereeing decisions, why bother watching the league they might ask?

In the years following Calciopoli, referees were so hesitant to award a penalty that Juve players essentially had to be dissected in two for one to be given. To give a comparison, from 2007/08 to 2010/11, they were awarded 22 penalties. Roma in contrast were awarded an incredible 38.

Personally, I hated the manner in which Juventus won, I would have preferred a victory owing much to Max Allegri’s style of football. Sure Juve have sent Roma packing with nothing over the last three seasons, but it is only this time around that they are perceived to be equals. A victory with no controversy and no penalties would have been much more rewarding.

Andrea Agnelli stated last year his aim for the financial future of Juventus is to ‘’earn €300m a year excluding money from the Champions League’’. With stadium revenue hitting the ceiling at the €40m mark and with TV-related money not in the club’s control, the one major room left for improvement is in regards to commercial revenue.

The six-year Adidas deal will help the club make big strides, Nike have never marketed Juventus correctly (having been to various Nike stores in Europe and in Asia, I’ve only ever seen a Juventus football on sale).

Over a five-year period from 2007-2012 it’s estimated that the club sold an average of 480,000 shirts a season, lagging far behind other Nike-sponsored teams like Man Utd, Arsenal and Barcelona.

How does the club expand upon this figure and attract new fans? Regular exposure to the latter stages of the Champions League is ultimately the principal way.

Another method is to win playing stylish football. Games such as Sunday night won’t endear the club to many new Football fans looking for a team to get behind. Through no fault of their own, the victory does nothing for the Juventus brand. In fact, it arguably deters people and reinforces the perception. Who wants to invest time supporting a team who supposedly ‘cheats’ its way to victories? Who wants to be associated with that?

Anyone with knowledge of the game knows that big teams in every league get favourable decisions. No team had won a penalty against Man Utd at Old Trafford for nearly a decade. Watch highlights of the infamous Champions League semi final in 2009 between Chelsea and Barcelona to see the absurd favouritism the Catalan team received.

Yet eight years on, Juventus are still burdened with the ‘cheaters’ label whenever a questionable decision goes their way. Continually held as prisoners to accusation and innuendo.

The situation is similar to that of the legendary musical genius Michael Jackson, who was haunted by allegations concerning his conduct with boys until the day of his untimely death. Yet anyone with a modicum of intelligence to research the cases could see he was innocent. Nevertheless even after his exoneration in June 2005, he could never free himself from the torment of suspicion.

Will Juventus ever be free from Calciopoli?

In the midst of all the squabbling between both sets of managers, players, club officials and fans this week, perhaps it’s former Juventus striker Christian Vieri who perhaps summed it up best:

‘’When I was at Inter we had false penalties and everyone kept quiet but if it happens to Juve it’s that they are buying refs’’.

But lets not allow the truth to get in the way of the narrative, right?


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Post Postao/la Gefufna » 09 okt 2014, 12:24

Marvin je napisao/la:Covjece kako bi volio otici na arenu i ovo na videu dozivjeti :pray:
Bio prije par mjeseci. Nevjerovatan osjecaj. Navijas za klub skoro 20 godina, mislis da si dozivio sve moguce navijacke emocije i onda u 2-3 dana skontas da ih ima jos...

Ne moze se taj osjecaj opisati ni rijecima ni slikom ni videom :njanjanja: :ljepota: :D

Ni smajlijima :)
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Post Postao/la Marvin » 09 okt 2014, 13:23

Odakle si drug? Koliko te izasao taj trip,nacin prevoza, karte,nabavka istih i to...planiram otici u skorijoj buducnosti ali iskljucivo na arenu.

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Post Postao/la Gefufna » 09 okt 2014, 14:23

Marvin je napisao/la:Odakle si drug? Koliko te izasao taj trip,nacin prevoza, karte,nabavka istih i to...planiram otici u skorijoj buducnosti ali iskljucivo na arenu.
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Post Postao/la Caeruleus » 10 okt 2014, 11:10

"Čestitke" na pobjedi protiv Rome.

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Post Postao/la Stranac » 10 okt 2014, 18:00

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Post Postao/la Carli » 10 okt 2014, 18:55

:cool:
Allegri je gospodin!

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Post Postao/la Pogba » 10 okt 2014, 22:39

Morata i Coman danas. :thumbup:

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Giovinco show poslije ulaska za Italiju. :cool:
3 gola Chiella, jedan u svoju mrežu, asistencije Pirla i Gia. :cool:
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Post Postao/la korisnikforuma » 10 okt 2014, 22:45

Kad gledam ovog cirkusanta Isca siguran sam da bi Giovinco imao bolju karijeru nego on da je igro u španjolskoj...
Šteta, mada Atomski Mrav se budi, mislim da će eksplodirat ove sezone, možda postane novi Di Natale, samo da mu je naći neki klub po mjeri, tipa Torino :lol:

Kod Comana mi se sviđa smo momak igra bez straha, iako radi puno grešaka, bolje je da sad griješi, nego da postane ukalupljeni igrač tipa primi loptu-dodaj prvom do sebe... Ima onu drskost koja je obavezna ako se misli uspjet na njegovoj poziciji ;)

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Post Postao/la Carli » 10 okt 2014, 22:57

Imam osjećaj da slobodno možemo 4-3-3 igrat. Tevez, Koman i Đovinko.
Allegri je gospodin!

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Post Postao/la Sissoko » 10 okt 2014, 23:03

Carli je napisao/la:Imam osjećaj da slobodno možemo 4-3-3 igrat. Tevez, Koman i Đovinko.
Mislim da bi odahnuo dušom kad bi to ugledao, pa makar protiv Cesene i slicnih.
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Post Postao/la Carli » 10 okt 2014, 23:35

Ja bi' jaja britvom obrij'o.
Allegri je gospodin!

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Post Postao/la Pogba » 11 okt 2014, 17:14

Nadam se da je neka dobra za*ebancija, ali selektor Čilea opet govori da Vidal ima problema sa koljenom. :facepalm:
Pa nije moguće da čovjeka tamo fizički ubijaju svaku put kada ode. :facepalm: Svašta, koliko samo problema.

Usput, nikako mi se ne dopada ovo s ugovorima, Pogba navodno dogovorio, ali još ništa zvanično, Sebi ističe ugovor i apsolutno je nedopustivo da ode džaba, kao i bilo koji igrač, a i Lichtu ističe ugovor koncem sezone.
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Post Postao/la Stranac » 11 okt 2014, 19:09

Imam osjećaj da Vidal ne zna šta hoće. Što prije naći problem i pokušati ga riješiti, jer to nije isto ponašanje čovjeka koji je tri godine bio primjer kako se treba ponašati profesionalac.

Vezano za Pogbu i novi ugovor, i tu neke stvari ne štimaju. Već par puta imamo jednostrano najavljivanje nekavih produženja i svaki put ništa konkretno se ne desi. Do kraja se sezone se ulazi u zadnju godinu ugovora i sve je manje vremena. Ipak vjerujem da imaju plan, toliko retardirani vjerujem da nisu.

Gio i Licht su mnogo manji problemi i riješivi su u par sati razgovora. Mada ja mislim da Juventus svakako mora da traži bolja riješenja, uz dužno poštovanje obojici. Jednom očigledno nije suđeno, a drugi je već u laganom padu.

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Post Postao/la PEP » 11 okt 2014, 19:16

vidal jednostavno hoce da ode i juventusa jer vidi da sa juventusom tesko da ce postici u evropi ,spekulisalo se na kraju prijelaznog roka i odlaksa u nekog od velikana ,ali eto kao fol ostao je vjeran juventusu ,juventus mu mozda jeste prirasto srcu i pustio ce jos ovu sezonu mogu li sta uciti sto se tice evrope ,ali svjestan je on sam da sa ovakvom epikom tesko da ce sta moci uraditi ,a ako se ne varam njemu je 27,28 godina dakle u najboljim je godinama i nema sta vise cekati sto se tice borbe za najveci trofej ,misljenja sam da vidal sigurno na ljeto odlazi iz juventusa.
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Post Postao/la Stranac » 11 okt 2014, 19:29

Ne lupaj napamet živ bio. Blage veze nemaš o dešavanjima u klubu, a ovde razvijaš teorije i znaš šta ko hoće i koji su razlozi.

Ponude za Vidala su dolazile tokom ljeta, Marotta potvrdio prije par dana. Činjenica je i da je Vidal ostao.

Detalje ne znamo i nemoj živ bio lupetati bez ikakvog pokrića. Radije zaobiđi temu, mada sudeći koliko je posjećuješ rekao bi ili da si latentni Juventino ili da je neka ozbiljnija psihoza.

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Post Postao/la Pogba » 11 okt 2014, 22:47

Novi gol mašine. :thumbup:

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Post Postao/la Marvin » 11 okt 2014, 23:38

Stranac je napisao/la:Radije zaobiđi temu, mada sudeći koliko je posjećuješ rekao bi ili da si latentni Juventino ili da je neka ozbiljnija psihoza.
:lol: :bow:

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Post Postao/la Andrej » 13 okt 2014, 14:55

Kapiten italijanske reprezentacije Gianluigi Buffon kritikovao je Francesca Tottija koji je izjavio da Juventus treba da ima svoju ligu.
“Da li sam saosećao sa Tottijem nakon utakmice? Ne, nisam zainteresovan za kontroverze kada se utakmica završi.”
“Tokom svoje karijere pobeđivao sam mnogo, ali sam isto tako i gubio. Završavao sam treći, četvrti, čak i sedmi dve uzastopne sezone, ali ne verujem da ste ikada videli Buffona da daje intervjue u kojima se buni protiv nekoga ili aludira na način koji nije dobar ni za koga i koji šteti fudbalu.”
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Post Postao/la Andrej » 15 okt 2014, 12:38

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